Why is FS Tramp so unknown?

[DrumsArt 270]

LittleNavMap is incredibly....Great!

Regards,

[dmarques69 316]

30€ for one year(vat included) when i have LittleNavMap for free, i tried the demo a while ago and dindt understand the price tag...maybe is dovetail games behind it

[Seven7 148]

It looks not bad but I use little nav map or FS-FlightControl which is fitting with my needs (following the flight).. and then PFPX for Flight plans 😃

Edited August 25, 2018 by Julia

[DavidP 1,408]

One off pricing - no problem. To me it is not a utility that justifies a subscription model. Little Nav Map is better, not only on pricing.

[honanhal 1,420]

Can Little Navmap be run from inside the sim (eg without alt-tabbing out)?

Not saying that by itself would justify the price tag, just wondering. Seems like a very useful feature in FS Tramp.

James

[Chock 17,769]

It's so unknown for a few reasons...

First, it has a very poorly-chosen name which isn't exactly what you'd call search engine optimised. If I were searching for a flight planning or navigation utility, would the word 'tramp' likely be one of those I'd type into that Google text box to kick off my quest for what's out there? Nah, I'd type, 'plan', 'planner', 'map', 'nav' etc. I'm willing to bet most people would do the same. So really it's only common sense to call your utility something along the lines of Wonder Nav Planner or some such, as opposed to something more obtuse, such as Super Hobo or whatever.

Quite apart from that, the word Tramp also implies wandering aimlessly, which isn't a trait I'd want to associate with a flight planner. Failing this, I'd have thrown an X in there somewhere, and gone for the X-Plane market, where decent flight planners are not quite so in abundance.

Actually, the only reason I'd heard of FS Tramp was by accident: I was bored a few weeks ago, so I went through all the product pages on simmarket to see what was out there, and I came across it that way. It had no reviews despite being listed as on sale since January of this year, which, whilst not exactly the ultimate condemnation, is still not a good sign.

Which brings me to the second problem, 45 Euros for an 18 month licence. When I saw that, my immediate thought was: You've got to be kidding right? My next thought was: No wonder I've never heard of the thing before, I can't imagine anyone suggesting this as something worth looking into, although to be fair, there is a demo to allow people to make that determination for themselves. But...

When there are several freeware, donationware and one-shot payment rivals to a product which is hoping to charge a recurring fee, I strongly supect that nobody in their right mind is going to go with that kind of pricing policy. But what makes that worse is, because you don't exactly need to be Maynard Keynes to work out that it isn't likely to keep going under those circumstances, ironically, that gives you even less reason to want to commit to buying a subscription for it.

Edited August 25, 2018 by Chock

[edpatino 1,959]

2 hours ago, honanhal said:

Can Little Navmap be run from inside the sim (eg without alt-tabbing out)?

I don't think it can. That's a nice and different feature of FS Tramp.

2 hours ago, Chock said:

45 Euros for an 18 month licence

At SimMarket it's priced at Eur 37,81 (18 mo license), still expensive, but not as 45. Anyway I agree the price tag is way too high.

Cheers, Ed

 

 

[FalconAF 213]

3 hours ago, Chock said:

…….because you don't exactly need to be Maynard Keynes to work out that it isn't likely to keep going under those circumstances, ironically, that gives you even less reason to want to commit to buying a subscription for it.

That's the real, logical, personal financial reason not to pay a subscription fee for it.

[KBUR 178]

For me it became a MUST TO HAVE TOOL; using it for almost 2 years (P3Dv3 and now P3D v4).

You can also map FS Tramp map via shortcut over keyboard or joystick for quickview - it offers a lot of important options for individual customization.  I can validate the positive statements of the Thread-Creator.

And, FS Tramp is definitely very performance friendly (if any impact 🤒 - I don't know).

Have a quick look here:  http://www.fstramp.com/

 

PS: For FSTramp there is no need to be online for working properly !

 

....and a few screenshots for your convenience:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 26, 2018 by KBUR
adding screenshots

[DavidP 1,408]

41 minutes ago, KBUR said:

For me it became a MUST TO HAVE TOOL; using it for almost 2 years (P3Dv3 and now P3D v4).

It was for me until it became a subscription pricing model.

[David Roch 1,953]

7 hours ago, Chock said:

 But what makes that worse is, because you don't exactly need to be Maynard Keynes to work out that it isn't likely to keep going under those circumstances, ironically, that gives you even less reason to want to commit to buying a subscription for it.

Not sure about that.
I have the feeling the dev is keeping on developing his tool no matter its success. (There are frequent updates, maybe 4 or 5 this past year)
Actually I believe he doesn't wish FS Tramp to be as popular as FS Nav, for whatever reason, but it doesn't mean the product is going to die soon.

I am not fan at all of his subscription pricing model and I would have preferred paying like any other product.
But to be honest, FS Tramp is IMO unequaled and paying around 37€ every year and a half for such a complete addon is still something I can afford without ruining my family.
There are in my hangar so many planes I have paid for and barely use, and in my scenery library so many places I have forgotten..

🙂

[willy647 193]

6 hours ago, edpatino said:

8 hours ago, honanhal said:

Can Little Navmap be run from inside the sim (eg without alt-tabbing out)?

I don't think it can. That's a nice and different feature of FS Tramp.

For me, this is a negative. You need to have the sim running to use fstramp. I want to run my flightplanner without having to start P3D

[pmb 5,137]

7 hours ago, edpatino said:

I don't think it can. That's a nice and different feature of FS Tramp.

At SimMarket it's priced at Eur 37,81 (18 mo license), still expensive, but not as 45. Anyway I agree the price tag is way too high.

I have to add 19% VAT to all Simmarket purchases, so in my case it's indeed 45 €.

Plus, these subscriptions are staggering. Here's FS Tramp, next comes Real Traffic (required for PSXSeecontraffic), than add all the Adobe apps, don't ask me when MS will provide Windows as a Service (R) exclusively. Don't forget your Internet Security App. etc.

One bad day you will wake up detecting all those subscriptions are higher than your income. That's why I avoid subscriptions where I can (not always possible, unfortunately).

Kind regards, Michael

[Egbert Drenth 250]

I used FSNavigator a lot in the distant past (FS98 to FS2004 if I recall correctly) and liked it very much.
However when better alternatives became available that could be used on a networked system, I stopped using it.
Also the pricing model is a big no-no for me.
 

[edpatino 1,959]

7 hours ago, KBUR said:

And, FS Tramp is definitely very performance friendly (if any impact 🤒 - I don't know).

I can confirm this. Not noticeable impact, if any. Using demo version.

Cheers, Ed