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37 minutes ago, Cargostorm said:

I am not sure though whether I will be disappointed when comparing it to the PMDG

I can pretty much guarantee that you will be.

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If Wilco could make their planes fly correctly on the first place then we could start that discussion.

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1 hour ago, simsuper80 said:

if wilco can port there planes over why cant pmdg 

They no longer have the rights for the MD11 as far as I’ve heard. Hell even if I had fsx still it’s not even for sale anymore. 

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42 minutes ago, UAL4life said:

They no longer have the rights for the MD11 as far as I’ve heard. Hell even if I had fsx still it’s not even for sale anymore. 

does that mean its abandoned? 

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Its pretty decent,looks pretty good and yells at me for not having the Stab in the correct position like all MD's do lol. The frame rate is GREAT!

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The modeling doesn't look spectacular, but then it also doesn't look too bad. I gotta say, I never thought PMDG's modeling in the MD-11 was particularly wonderful either. Sky Simulations,a s others pointed out, released a MD-11 a long, loooong time ago for FSX. From what I read at the time, it was quite bad. The DC9 that followed seemed to be a step up in many ways and while I didn't read any particularly warm reviews, I also don't remember people saying they hated it. Also, I'd be perfectly happy with something in-between PMDG and CLS. CLS is too simple for me, but I really don't need all the functions a PMDG plane gives you. If I can perform normal operations with some realism I'll likely be happy with it. For what it's worth, the modeling of the VC looks nice to me, and I'm happy to see that the PFD, ND, etc all appear relatively faithful. What's going to make the difference for me is the A/P functionality, dial-a-flap, all those lovely little McDonnell Douglas-type tidbits.

All to say that it seemed to me that Sky Simulations was improving from release to release, so I'd be willing to give this MD-11 a go if sufficient amount of people tried it and gave an idea of what to expect. Which brings me to David up there...
 

30 minutes ago, z06z33 said:

Its pretty decent,looks pretty good and yells at me for not having the Stab in the correct position like all MD's do lol. The frame rate is GREAT!

David, seems like you got it and like it. Can you comment on the systems? What sort of level exactly are we looking at here? How well does it work? Is this a simple FMC with basix P3D A/P functionality, or does it try to actually simulate the MD-11? And what do you think of the FDE? In other words, is this like CLS, like the Aerosoft Airbus, like the JuftFlight L-1011... Any comment at all would be helpful, really :) Cause I'm so starved for a MD-11 -.-

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if its on an aerosoft/qualitywings 757 level systems wise I will probebly get it

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2 hours ago, z06z33 said:

Its pretty decent,looks pretty good and yells at me for not having the Stab in the correct position like all MD's do lol. The frame rate is GREAT!

I'd like to know the FMC allows you to enter a plan, including SIDs and STARs -- or, is it simply one of those FMC's where you load a default P3D flight plan into it?

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Just to have an MD 11 in P3D V4, I'd give 20 bucks for this one. 

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1 hour ago, Mace said:

 

I'd like to know the FMC allows you to enter a plan, including SIDs and STARs -- or, is it simply one of those FMC's where you load a default P3D flight plan into it?

It’s the latter; however, if you own FSBuild or EFB2, you can simply include the SID/STAR into the flight plan.   In fact, EFB2 is dynamic; so, if the STAR changes, you simply have to update EFB2 with new data and it will dynamically update your flight plan.  This allows you to fly SID/STARS with Eric M FMSLite. It does not, however, allow for vertical navigation. You’ll need ISG1 for that...,

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Thanks.  But lacking a function that basic makes this airplane too lite for my taste.

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4 hours ago, Benjamin J said:

The modeling doesn't look spectacular, but then it also doesn't look too bad. I gotta say, I never thought PMDG's modeling in the MD-11 was particularly wonderful either. Sky Simulations,a s others pointed out, released a MD-11 a long, loooong time ago for FSX. From what I read at the time, it was quite bad. The DC9 that followed seemed to be a step up in many ways and while I didn't read any particularly warm reviews, I also don't remember people saying they hated it. Also, I'd be perfectly happy with something in-between PMDG and CLS. CLS is too simple for me, but I really don't need all the functions a PMDG plane gives you. If I can perform normal operations with some realism I'll likely be happy with it. For what it's worth, the modeling of the VC looks nice to me, and I'm happy to see that the PFD, ND, etc all appear relatively faithful. What's going to make the difference for me is the A/P functionality, dial-a-flap, all those lovely little McDonnell Douglas-type tidbits.

All to say that it seemed to me that Sky Simulations was improving from release to release, so I'd be willing to give this MD-11 a go if sufficient amount of people tried it and gave an idea of what to expect. Which brings me to David up there...
 

David, seems like you got it and like it. Can you comment on the systems? What sort of level exactly are we looking at here? How well does it work? Is this a simple FMC with basix P3D A/P functionality, or does it try to actually simulate the MD-11? And what do you think of the FDE? In other words, is this like CLS, like the Aerosoft Airbus, like the JuftFlight L-1011... Any comment at all would be helpful, really 🙂 Cause I'm so starved for a MD-11 -.-

Currently enroute from KLAS to PHNL, she flies nice I'll be posting a video about the plane when I land in about 2 hours

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27 minutes ago, z06z33 said:

Currently enroute from KLAS to PHNL, she flies nice I'll be posting a video about the plane when I land in about 2 hours

Excellent, thanks!! If you could post the link here that’d be great 🙂

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1 hour ago, z06z33 said:

Currently enroute from KLAS to PHNL, she flies nice I'll be posting a video about the plane when I land in about 2 hours

That will be very much appreciated, David.  

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Curiosity got me and I bought it and I must say that it does fly nice.  I didn't do a full flight, but I might at some time later.

It has very simplified flight systems, but they are better than a default aircraft, just not near what the MD11 is supposed to be.

The PROF does not work.  It loads a standard MSFS flight plan and there is no PERF or TAKE OFF pages, so the Vspeeds are not selected in the FMS, but just appear on the PFD on their own.

When you push NAV on the FCP, the FMA will display NAV1, instead of LNAV.  Then, again, you have no PROF so I was having trouble figuring how to select the altitude on the FCP and lock it in, but Vert Spd works, so that is a good way to control the climb or decent.

Speed brake seems to have something funky going on.  I'll have to look at the manual to know for sure, but if you try to arm the spoilers, the leaver will make a big clunking noise and lock in full position. It must have to do with the spoilers deploying upon landing, but it seems to do it in any situation and not just landing.

The cockpit textures are much better than what SkySimulation used to have.  Big improvement there, but still not quite up to the standard of the PMDG MD11 for FSX, which are also very outdated.

I would say that this aircraft should sell for about $35 to be fair for the type of customer that would like this MD11.  $50 for an aircraft that doesn't come close enough to satisfactorily emulating the MD11 flight systems and needs to load the flight plan from the simulator is just a little steep. Then, considering the price of aircraft with deep systems and awesome graphics, it's not real bad.

I believe that simmers that don't like complex aircraft and reading through manuals, will love this MD11.  It loads the flight plan from the sim and starts all of the engines with Ctrl+E.  It flies and handles nicely and has a "heavy feel" to it. I'm sure it will handle nice while landing.  I'll have to see if it will lock into an ILS. Anyway you could still do a good approach using Vert Spd or manually.

It seems to taxi way too fast, so next time I'm only going to start the two wing engines and wait to start the center engine once I reach the runway.

That's my thoughts on it so far.  Not bad, just not great.  But still enough to have some fun with.

 

Bob

 

 

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3 minutes ago, signmanbob said:

Curiosity got me and I bought it and I must say that it does fly nice.  I didn't do a full flight, but I might at some time later.

It has very simplified flight systems, but they are better than a default aircraft, just not near what the MD11 is supposed to be.

The PROF does not work.  It loads a standard MSFS flight plan and there is no PERF or TAKE OFF pages, so the Vspeeds are not selected in the FMS, but just appear on the PFD on their own.

When you push NAV on the FCP, the FMA will display NAV1, instead of LNAV.  Then, again, you have no PROF so I was having trouble figuring how to select the altitude on the FCP and lock it in, but Vert Spd works, so that is a good way to control the climb or decent.

Speed brake seems to have something funky going on.  I'll have to look at the manual to know for sure, but if you try to arm the spoilers, the leaver will make a big clunking noise and lock in full position. It must have to do with the spoilers deploying upon landing, but it seems to do it in any situation and not just landing.

The cockpit textures are much better than what SkySimulation used to have.  Big improvement there, but still not quite up to the standard of the PMDG MD11 for FSX, which are also very outdated.

I would say that this aircraft should sell for about $35 to be fair for the type of customer that would like this MD11.  $50 for an aircraft that doesn't come close enough to satisfactorily emulating the MD11 flight systems and needs to load the flight plan from the simulator is just a little steep. Then, considering the price of aircraft with deep systems and awesome graphics, it's not real bad.

I believe that simmers that don't like complex aircraft and reading through manuals, will love this MD11.  It loads the flight plan from the sim and starts all of the engines with Ctrl+E.  It flies and handles nicely and has a "heavy feel" to it. I'm sure it will handle nice while landing.  I'll have to see if it will lock into an ILS. Anyway you could still do a good approach using Vert Spd or manually.

It seems to taxi way too fast, so next time I'm only going to start the two wing engines and wait to start the center engine once I reach the runway.

That's my thoughts on it so far.  Not bad, just not great.  But still enough to have some fun with.

 

Bob

 

 

Thanks for taking the time to do the review, Bob.  Looking forward to your report regarding ILS; V1 couldn't fly an ILS worth a hill of beans. 

Concerning price, the inflation we've witness as it relates to P3D is absurd; the price escalations as a whole are disappointing and unjustifiable....

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16 hours ago, Jim Young said:

New releases like this are appreciated but they should be submitted to AVSIM using our "Submit News" form.  I have completed the form and it may or may not appear on our front page.  See the link to Submit News in my signature.  Thanks for your help!

Jim, very sorry, didn't realize it would be best in Submit News. Will do so in future.

 

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7 hours ago, kingm56 said:

It’s the latter; however, if you own FSBuild or EFB2, you can simply include the SID/STAR into the flight plan.   In fact, EFB2 is dynamic; so, if the STAR changes, you simply have to update EFB2 with new data and it will dynamically update your flight plan.  This allows you to fly SID/STARS with Eric M FMSLite. It does not, however, allow for vertical navigation. You’ll need ISG1 for that...,

 

4 hours ago, signmanbob said:

It has very simplified flight systems, but they are better than a default aircraft, just not near what the MD11 is supposed to be.

The PROF does not work.  It loads a standard MSFS flight plan and there is no PERF or TAKE OFF pages, so the Vspeeds are not selected in the FMS, but just appear on the PFD on their own.

When you push NAV on the FCP, the FMA will display NAV1, instead of LNAV.  Then, again, you have no PROF so I was having trouble figuring how to select the altitude on the FCP and lock it in, but Vert Spd works, so that is a good way to control the climb or decent.

Speed brake seems to have something funky going on.  I'll have to look at the manual to know for sure, but if you try to arm the spoilers, the leaver will make a big clunking noise and lock in full position. It must have to do with the spoilers deploying upon landing, but it seems to do it in any situation and not just landing.

OK. This plane is a no-go then. Too sad. If I buy a simulation, I expect that the systems - at least for normal operations - are as close to the REAL aircraft as possible. Even the FMS appears to be nowhere compared to the Pegasus Honeywell FMS in the real bird. Then also a high price tag is justified. I will stick with PMDG MD11 in the meantime (which works well in P3DV3) and wait for the MD11 from Rotate in Xplane instead.

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4 hours ago, signmanbob said:

I would say that this aircraft should sell for about $35 to be fair for the type of customer that would like this MD11.  $50 for an aircraft that doesn't come close enough to satisfactorily emulating the MD11 flight systems and needs to load the flight plan from the simulator is just a little steep. Then, considering the price of aircraft with deep systems and awesome graphics, it's not real bad.

I believe that simmers that don't like complex aircraft and reading through manuals, will love this MD11.  It loads the flight plan from the sim and starts all of the engines with Ctrl+E.  It flies and handles nicely and has a "heavy feel" to it.

Yup, nothing wrong with making an add-on aeroplane which is a little bit simpler in terms of system replication, there's definitely a market for such products. I and I'm sure many others, actually quite like add-ons where you can just 'jump into and go'. They can be fun sometimes when you don't want to spend 20 minutes setting the cockpit up.

But that is where they've got the price wrong on this one; it's a bit too expensive for a product of its nature and is in danger of falling between two stools; too pricey for a casual simmer, but not sophisticated enough for a serious simmer.

Still, for those who are prepared to give it a shot, it's now up on Just Flight's web store too, priced at £39.99.

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3 minutes ago, Chock said:

They can be fun sometimes when you don't want to spend 20 minutes setting the cockpit up.

But that is where they've got the price wrong on this one; it's a bit too expensive for a product of its nature and is in danger of falling between two stools; too pricey for a casual simmer, but not sophisticated enough for a serious simmer.

Fully agree. On the other hand, Carenado and Alabeo for non-airliners are already in the $35 region. But at least you get well-done VC textures.

I rather prefer to save a situation in a well-simulated complex aircraft rather than use a default-like aircraft in order to be quickly ready for a flight. For a casual simmer who does not want to bother with complex systems and just wants to fly around, it might be a consideration, although too expensive for what it is offered at the moment.

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Yup, I'd certainly expect it to be more than for example, Virtualcol's airliners, which are unashemedly cheap and cheerful, so they don't have especially nice VCs. But with Virtualcol, you accept that you're not paying a lot for them, so it's an acceptable trade off to settle for a pretty basic looking cockpit, however, this MD-11 appears to have about the same level of sophistication as those far cheaper offerings, in terms of what it simulates and how it handles flight plans etc, so it's rather a step up in price from those (i.e. more than double) for a prettier VC.

If (or more likely when lol) they drop the price, I'd be tempted to give it a whirl, but for now I'll vote with my wallet and give it a miss.

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Thanks Bob for the impressions so far. Sounds lime it'd be too simple for me in its current state. I'd like to have an a FMS that's closer to the real thing then this seems to offer, coupled to an actual LNAV mode. Don't need VNAV, but would like something like level change. I'm curious about the simulation of the engine start sequence: is it like the horrid default one where there is a ridiculous temperature spike that quickly drops to normal values, or did they try to make it into a more normal, stable sequence? (I think I already know the answer, but am curious anyway)

 

I'll probably stick with my original plan for a freighter... Get the CS75F whenever it's available. Much, much more expensive, but at least I believe I'll get something more up my alley than this MD-11. Or alternatively, if QW ever get their 757 into P3Dv4 (which I know they were working on), then that would be a solution as well.

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1 hour ago, Benjamin J said:

Thanks Bob for the impressions so far. Sounds lime it'd be too simple for me in its current state. I'd like to have an a FMS that's closer to the real thing then this seems to offer, coupled to an actual LNAV mode. Don't need VNAV, but would like something like level change. I'm curious about the simulation of the engine start sequence: is it like the horrid default one where there is a ridiculous temperature spike that quickly drops to normal values, or did they try to make it into a more normal, stable sequence? (I think I already know the answer, but am curious anyway)

 

I'll probably stick with my original plan for a freighter... Get the CS75F whenever it's available. Much, much more expensive, but at least I believe I'll get something more up my alley than this MD-11. Or alternatively, if QW ever get their 757 into P3Dv4 (which I know they were working on), then that would be a solution as well.

The engine start does not seem realistic on this at all.

With the real (PMDG) MD11, much is automatic.  It pretty much sets itself up to start. This version doesn't seem to do that and I ended up having to Ctrl+E to get the engines started and then they just whip-up to a running state, one after the other.

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