Jump to content

Sign in to follow this  
JPFLIGHT

TFDi 717 or Leonardo Maddog?

Recommended Posts

The Maddog is a fun aircraft and I just fly it in sequence with the AS A320/ AS CRJ / PMDG 737 & 777 / QW 787 / FSW LJ35 for the complexity it involves. Highly recommended. However, if you want a modern airliner then the 717 is great.

BTW I have mapped the various functions of the Maddog to my Switch Panel through SPAD Next. Send me an email if you want it. Automates a lot of functions. You will need SPAD Next.

Shez


Shez Ansari

Windows 10 Home 64-bit; CPU: Intel Core i7-8700K; GPU: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 1080Ti 11GB; MB: Gigabyte Z370 AORUS Gaming 5; RAM: 16GB; HD: Samsung 960 Pro 512GB SSD, Samsung 850 Pro 256GB SSD; Display: ASUS 4K 28", Asus UHD 26"

Share this post


Link to post

MADDOG! You'll never regret it. Just consider buying TSSs sounds because stock ones are rubbish. Otherwise, performance is top notch (best performer on my potato even with trueglass stuff) and the handling is just a charm. Avionics are very good and you get all the stuff you'd expect in the real one. (best flight for me would be KMSP to KDCA) . Unlike others IT IS worth the 80 USD that are asked for. Wish they sold immersion for it.(there's already FS2crew)

IMO the tfdi would be an alternative to an MD-11. It's between an airbus and a boeing. Although performance seems to be a bit poor.

And from a historic point of view, I think less than 10 carriers bought the 717 so for the liveries the md-82 sold much better.


signature-dark.png

My system specs: Core 2 quad Q9650 @ 3.51ghz, GTX1060 6gb, 8gb ddr3 1333, 1Tb seagate barracuda, 500gb wd blue

Share this post


Link to post

Thanks gents I’ve jumped in a got the maddog. Only thing is I’m struggling to find the livery manager in the load manager for p3d v4. Can any provide any advice on where to find it?

thanks

James

Share this post


Link to post
23 minutes ago, LH340fan said:

MADDOG! You'll never regret it. Just consider buying TSSs sounds because stock ones are rubbish. Otherwise, performance is top notch (best performer on my potato even with trueglass stuff) and the handling is just a charm. Avionics are very good and you get all the stuff you'd expect in the real one. (best flight for me would be KMSP to KDCA) . Unlike others IT IS worth the 80 USD that are asked for. Wish they sold immersion for it.(there's already FS2crew)

IMO the tfdi would be an alternative to an MD-11. It's between an airbus and a boeing. Although performance seems to be a bit poor.

And from a historic point of view, I think less than 10 carriers bought the 717 so for the liveries the md-82 sold much better.

Good points. The one thing which the 717 falls down on is that only Delta fly it so flight choice is scarce.

I also agree with the sounds. Very weak, and even worse in the spot view where it is almost silent. The Maddog is a noisy old girl externally compared to the current crop of airliners (although it is silent in the cockpit/front seats because of the rear mounted engines). I have not bought the payware sounds but I use the freeware sounds from the AVSIM Library which are better.

 


Shez Ansari

Windows 10 Home 64-bit; CPU: Intel Core i7-8700K; GPU: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 1080Ti 11GB; MB: Gigabyte Z370 AORUS Gaming 5; RAM: 16GB; HD: Samsung 960 Pro 512GB SSD, Samsung 850 Pro 256GB SSD; Display: ASUS 4K 28", Asus UHD 26"

Share this post


Link to post

The livery manager is in the load manager. It is a rectangular button on the right hand side of "General" tab.

Share this post


Link to post

I own both, but either of them haven't had much chance to fly. Nevertheless, my two cents:

- The Maddog is a wonderful aircraft. back in FS2004 and then FSX the previous versions were my aircraft of choice. It's a challenging and fun plane to fly. The systems are retro as somebody here mentioned, thus needing a sometimes startling level of manual input. Thus this is not a plan that I view as 'quick in and out', which the PMDG 737 is for me. Within minutes I can set it up to go. Though perhaps when I become more proficient with the Maddog, that will work similarly. I will ad that A/P-wise the plane has all modern conveniences. It's age really comes up when it comes to system automation, such as the pressurization system, for instance.

- The 717 is equally fun to fly. Having had no experience with the 717 at all from prior products, but having used the PMDG MD-11, I was quite excited. I believe I wasn't let down. This is all around my kind of aircraft. Modern and therefore easy to get out of the gate. Like the MD-11, it's a funny mix of Boeing and Airbus, and so therefore initially a little confusing. But I got the hang of this quite quickly, and definitely much more quickly than the Maddog. After one flight I already feel much more comfortable.

So here's my advice: The Maddog is an older plane and therefore needs more manual input. Ultimately this makes it a wonderful plan to 'conquer' and you'll find that you'll get a great deal of joy form flying it properly. The 717 is equally fun but is much easier and quicker to master, and therefore may be more suited if you have less time overall per flight, or would like to get up and running more quickly. In the end, if you like the MD family, you might just want to get both, and take each of them out depending on how much time you have. Both still see a lot of use right now in the US, so there's plenty of routes especially from Atlanta.


Benjamin van Soldt

Windows 10 64bit - i5-8600k @ 4.7GHz - ASRock Fatality K6 Z370 - EVGA GTX1070 SC 8GB VRAM - 16GB Corsair Vengeance LPX @ 3200MHz - Samsung 960 Evo SSD M.2 NVMe 500GB - 2x Samsung 860 Evo SSD 1TB (P3Dv4/5 drive) - Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200RPM - Seasonic FocusPlus Gold 750W - Noctua DH-15S - Fractal Design Focus G (White) Case

Share this post


Link to post
8 hours ago, thibodba57 said:

The installer directs to your Documents folder.  This was brought up in Beta testing and LM suggests to developers to install there not the Sim Objects folder.  The work around for this and I would recommend this to anyone.  Is to move your documents folder to another hard drive.  This ensures backups of all your work also.  Plus now your are splitting the load to three hard drives 🙂

On a side note, A2A installs into this directory as well with no other option if I recall.

I see that there is a misunderstanding about how you understood LM's recommendation. Sorry, but that's not quite correct.
The first recommendation of LM is to install the addons in the Prepar3D v4 Add-ons folder, regardless of the disk on which this folder is installed. Mine is on E:Prepar3D v4 Add-ons. In this folder I have all my addons whose developers have followed the installation procedure (A2A, Aerosoft, RealAir, FsLabs and so...).

The purpose of this process is both to comply with LM's recommendation while leaving the user the choice to put this folder where he wants, without forcing him to put it on the system disk, which for most of us is often of smaller capacity.

Now Leonardo for obscure reasons (I still haven't understood anything about their vague justifications), install their addon directly in C:\Users\***********\Documents\Prepar3D v4 Add-ons\MaddogX (1.45Gb) + another folder in C:\Users\***********\Documents\Maddog X Files (1.09Gb).

I grant you the total is 2.54Gb and not 4Gb as I wrote 😉

To my knowledge it is the only developer who, either by misinterpretation of LM recommendations (I doubt it), or by other reasons for which I am still waiting for justification, proceeds in this way!

The other folders I have in C:\Users\***********\Documents\Prepar3D v4 Add-ons contain some Aerosoft and ORBX files that are only 1 Kb xml files...
On my side I have 26.GB in my E:Prepar3D v4 Add-ons! Fortunately, not all developers practice this kind of installation.

End of (little) off-topic. Sorry...

Thank you and Regards,

Richard.

Edited by DrumsArt

Richard Portier

MAXIMUS VI FORMULA|Intel® Core i7-4770K Oc@4.50GHz x8|NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080ti|M16GB DDR3|Windows10 Pro 64|P3Dv5|AFS2|TrackIr5|Saitek ProFlight Yoke + Quadrant + Rudder Pedal|Thrustmaster Warthog A10|

Share this post


Link to post
6 hours ago, ShezA said:

The one thing which the 717 falls down on is that only Delta fly it

Don't Qantas still fly them ?


System: MSFS2020-Premium Deluxe, P3D 5.0, ASUS Maximus XI Hero,  Intel i7-8086K o/c to 5.0GHz, Corsair AIO H115i Pro, Corsair Spec Omega Case,Nvidia GTX 1080 Ti 11Gb, Samsung 970 EVO M.2 SSD, 1Tb Samsung 860 EVO SSD, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR4 3200Mhz RAM, EVGA 850+ Gold PSU,Win 10 Pro 64-bit, Samsung 43 UHD TV, LG 43UD79 43" 4K IPS Panel., Logitech X56 Hotas Stick and Throttle, Logitech/Saitek Flight Yoke System, Multi, Radio, Switch Panels

 

Share this post


Link to post
11 minutes ago, ZKOKQ said:

Don't Qantas still fly them ?

Yes Quantas, Hawaiian Airlines also. Have a look on FlightAware, there are many of B717 in US, Australia and Hawaii islands flying right now.

Richard

Edited by DrumsArt
  • Upvote 1

Richard Portier

MAXIMUS VI FORMULA|Intel® Core i7-4770K Oc@4.50GHz x8|NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080ti|M16GB DDR3|Windows10 Pro 64|P3Dv5|AFS2|TrackIr5|Saitek ProFlight Yoke + Quadrant + Rudder Pedal|Thrustmaster Warthog A10|

Share this post


Link to post
4 minutes ago, DrumsArt said:

Qantas, Hawaiian Airlines also

Plus Volotea and Turkmenistan.

Edited by Rafal
  • Upvote 2

Rafal Haczek

sig_FSL-By-Wire.jpg

Share this post


Link to post

..

Edited by ZKOKQ

System: MSFS2020-Premium Deluxe, P3D 5.0, ASUS Maximus XI Hero,  Intel i7-8086K o/c to 5.0GHz, Corsair AIO H115i Pro, Corsair Spec Omega Case,Nvidia GTX 1080 Ti 11Gb, Samsung 970 EVO M.2 SSD, 1Tb Samsung 860 EVO SSD, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR4 3200Mhz RAM, EVGA 850+ Gold PSU,Win 10 Pro 64-bit, Samsung 43 UHD TV, LG 43UD79 43" 4K IPS Panel., Logitech X56 Hotas Stick and Throttle, Logitech/Saitek Flight Yoke System, Multi, Radio, Switch Panels

 

Share this post


Link to post
2 minutes ago, ZKOKQ said:

Cheers. Just that you said only Delta lol

?I'm not ShezA.:laugh:

Richard


Richard Portier

MAXIMUS VI FORMULA|Intel® Core i7-4770K Oc@4.50GHz x8|NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080ti|M16GB DDR3|Windows10 Pro 64|P3Dv5|AFS2|TrackIr5|Saitek ProFlight Yoke + Quadrant + Rudder Pedal|Thrustmaster Warthog A10|

Share this post


Link to post
8 minutes ago, DrumsArt said:

?I'm not ShezA.:laugh:

Richard

I am getting old, my bad. Sorry Richard


System: MSFS2020-Premium Deluxe, P3D 5.0, ASUS Maximus XI Hero,  Intel i7-8086K o/c to 5.0GHz, Corsair AIO H115i Pro, Corsair Spec Omega Case,Nvidia GTX 1080 Ti 11Gb, Samsung 970 EVO M.2 SSD, 1Tb Samsung 860 EVO SSD, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR4 3200Mhz RAM, EVGA 850+ Gold PSU,Win 10 Pro 64-bit, Samsung 43 UHD TV, LG 43UD79 43" 4K IPS Panel., Logitech X56 Hotas Stick and Throttle, Logitech/Saitek Flight Yoke System, Multi, Radio, Switch Panels

 

Share this post


Link to post
1 minute ago, ZKOKQ said:

I am getting old, my bad. Sorry Richard

No problem ZKOKQ.:smile:


Richard Portier

MAXIMUS VI FORMULA|Intel® Core i7-4770K Oc@4.50GHz x8|NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080ti|M16GB DDR3|Windows10 Pro 64|P3Dv5|AFS2|TrackIr5|Saitek ProFlight Yoke + Quadrant + Rudder Pedal|Thrustmaster Warthog A10|

Share this post


Link to post

Both are fantastic aircraft and you can't go wrong with either but the MD-80 just kinda gives me that warm, fuzzy feeling inside😄  I love flying it (my current go-to aircraft) and it has the best VC around right now IMO...and I have 'em all.  The VC night lighting is sublime (also the best around right now) so I absolutely love flying this one at dusk and at night.  I'd recommend FS2Crew to go along with it as it is a bit more of a handful than the 717.  Lots of options in the Load Manager and you can adjust the volume of every sound as well (nice feature).  I do own the TSS sounds for this one but the stock sounds are very acceptable in the VC (external sounds are a bit weak).  Own both of them if you can!

Edited by Flic1
  • Like 1
  • Upvote 1

Eric

P3D v5 & MSFS   i7-6700k @ 4.4 GHz, Nvidia GTX 1080ti, 32GB ddr4 RAM, 1TB EVO 850 SSD, Samsung CRG90 49", Win 10

Share this post


Link to post

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  
  • Tom Allensworth,
    Founder of AVSIM Online


  • Flight Simulation's Premier Resource!

    AVSIM is a free service to the flight simulation community. AVSIM is staffed completely by volunteers and all funds donated to AVSIM go directly back to supporting the community. Your donation here helps to pay our bandwidth costs, emergency funding, and other general costs that crop up from time to time. Thank you for your support!

    Click here for more information and to see all donations year to date.
  • Donation Goals

    AVSIM's 2020 Fundraising Goal

    Donate to our annual general fundraising goal. This donation keeps our doors open and providing you service 24 x 7 x 365. Your donation here helps to pay our bandwidth costs, emergency funding, and other general costs that crop up from time to time. We reset this goal every new year for the following year's goal.


    34%
    $8,660.00 of $25,000.00 Donate Now
×
×
  • Create New...