Simicro

Do you intend to stay on P3Dv4.3 for a while?

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Always update. Not an issue with me as I want to make sure I have the latest version and that goes for most apps/software.

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I recently decided to introduce X-Plane 11 into my life to complement P3D. I’ll certainly be staying with P3D going forward but I’d say my simming time has been split 50/50 since buying X-Plane 11.

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I always update and then roll it back if some problem crops up after release.  I'm happy with the performance of 4.3 for the most part, and things will only get better over time.  Each version brings new opportunities to simming, so it's always worth upgrading when the opportunity presents itself. 

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2 hours ago, GSalden said:

When V4.4 of V5 comes out within a few days 90%+ of us will have it ASAP ... 😎

Yup, and depending upon time zones and release times, maybe even the day before! I have no sense of loyalty whatsoever and always have my hand on the "switch" switch, so to speak. Bring on P3D v4.4 or P3D v5.0 sooner rather than later.

The only caveat for reluctance for change that I can think of concerning any release of a substantially new P3D v5 would be whether or not ORBX would still be usable under license without having to pay extra fees.

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I find myself, more and more, flying XPlane 11. I have spent Thousands of dollars like others, on FSX and P3D add ons. Some have been worth the money, some have not, and I am talking scenery , aircraft or utilities. But until I saw Xplane 11 with default scenery and some free add ons like Misterx airports and some payware aircraft, have I been more satisfied with the looks  and performance of my sim. Being a mostly vfr flyer, both Ga or military, Xplane delivers a more realistic experience for me. 

    I will give the new P3D a trial run because of my loyalty for a number of years to this platform, but unless the newer sim comes a lot closer to what I consider essential for me,  the more realistic scenery, performance etc.I will stick with Xplane as my sim. I have stopped buying add ons for P3D  and now only consider Xplane 11. Skip Ciman

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20 hours ago, Simicro said:

How about you? If you have 4.3 are you happy with it and do you intend to stick with it for a while?

Yes I'm quite happy. 

Although I do have a PC that costed a fortune (not really) I'm still happy. 

I can understand that people with low end PCs will have better performance in XP11 because it's overall better.

 

However, I think I'll still stay with the P3D franchise.

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11 hours ago, DJJose said:

I'm hoping that LM has decided to at least fix some issues with v4 before moving on to v5. Heck, some devs have not been able to put out updates to make their airports compatible with v4. There no rush, but LM is in business to make $$$ so we could see info on v5 by the end of the year. I hope NOT!

But is it not possible that V5 will be that version that fixes the issues and adds extra features? Could be totally worth the $$$. 🤑

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13 hours ago, Simicro said:

Because I'm happy with the current version and don't want to go into the hassle of updating manually. Plus the risk of addons not being compatible, etc.

So it was absolutely no hassle getting from wherever you started to v 4.3? Surly 4.3 is not your first FSX/P3D based flight sim.

For decades we have dealt with new versions of MSFS; it is a totally "natural" process of growth, not risk, just change. My FS4 add-ons don't work in FS2000, that's a good thing!😀

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11 hours ago, DJJose said:

I'm so disappointed with XP 11, it makes me sick to my stomach every time I think about the money and time that I wasted on that platform.

I'm happy for any simmer that has found value and enjoyment with XP. I have not been so fortunate.

Hi!  I'm keen to understand more about why you didn't like XP 11.  Simply because I'm keen on the different perspective.

I moved across to XP11 after giving it a good go and finding so much is free and built-in.  Take camera angles for instance - you need to buy ChasePlane on P3D but it's built in to XP11.  Take replay mode - you have to buy ChasePlane but it's built in to XP11 and is much better than ChasePlane.  There's now a PMDG quality free Boeing 737.  You can use Ortho4XP.  Orbx have now released UK South and it's incredible.  Oh yes, talking of that, I can fly over the very densely populated London scenery and land at EGLL without any issue.  I can't do that on P3D without significantly decreasing settings.  And let's not forget lighting - every light in XP11 is real, not a texture.  I know P3D has dynamic lighting but it always killed my performance.

Please understand that this is not me 'evangelising' per se, simply me pointing out what I think objectively makes XP11 a good platform.  As I say, I'm keen to hear your perspective.

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26 minutes ago, adyfoot said:

There's now a PMDG quality free Boeing 737.

The exaggeration of the century! 🤢🤮

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Over the past couple days, I have repeatedly swapped between X-Plane 11 and P3D V4.3, and really reflecting what sim to stick to.  I guess if I had more hard-drive space, I'd probably just run both.  But it's been difficult.  X-Plane as a platform is brilliant and you can accomplish so much at a low cost.  Adyfoot's points are all pretty spot on, and while the Zibo 737 still actually isn't as good as the PMDG, it's still pretty darn good.  

I am currently settled with P3D V4.3 because it's the only sim where I can run the PMDG 777, suffer a V1 cut, and fly according to the procedures without a sim-related anomaly occurring.  The A2A aircraft are also excellent.  But beyond that, the sim feels dated and I feel as though more people are leaving the platform behind for X-Plane.  To get P3D up to spec, I need to update the nav databases manually; I need to find updated afcads for airports that haven't be updated for the past decade; I need orbx global to keep my textures from looking like 2007; texture packs like EnvTex to at least make my runways look nicer; activesky just to get weather; tomato shade just so I can have some semblance of PBR; and chasecam just so I can have a smooth VC experience.  I don't even know why we don't have anything similar to the free AviTab VC tablet on x-plane after all these years, and it bugs me a little.

I intend to stay on P3D 4.3 and the franchise a little longer, because the addons here are still for the most part excellent.  But I think once i get the crates I want in X-Plane, and activesky, I will be retiring this ole esp platform for good.  

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8 hours ago, pracines said:

So it was absolutely no hassle getting from wherever you started to v 4.3? Surly 4.3 is not your first FSX/P3D based flight sim.

For decades we have dealt with new versions of MSFS; it is a totally "natural" process of growth, not risk, just change. My FS4 add-ons don't work in FS2000, that's a good thing!😀

It was indeed. That is why, being on FSX I skipped P3Dv1,2,3 and landed directly on v4.

I do not mean to stay on P3Dv4.3 and freeze forever.

Please note that the title says "... for a while".

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12 hours ago, adyfoot said:

Hi!  I'm keen to understand more about why you didn't like XP 11.  Simply because I'm keen on the different perspective.

So many reasons, let me count the ways.

From the top of my head,

1) I bought my copy of XP11 digitally when it was released to support the platform. I now need an internet connection to run it. What a joke!

2) On my computer, XP 11 takes a long time to load (even with default textures.) I tried FL ortho and it took forever to load. Even with ortho I still noticed blurry textures and many times the sim just CTD.

3) Still today, NO default seasonal variations.

4) In the latest version, I noticed that the textures did not extend to the horizon. What happened there?

5) The GA planes I sim with (payware) do not behave realistically at all. This has been a problem since XP10. Even though most say that XP 11 FDs are more realistic than P3D, I have not had that experience with my system.

6) Sounds are absolutely awful!

7) Aircraft ground traction is unrealistic on my system!

😎 The weather needs to be revamped! I experienced abrupt weather changes, ugly poor performing clouds, and unrealistic wind shifts. Just bad!

9) AI traffic needs improvement.

10) ATC needs improvement.

The other disconcerting thing about the XP 11 platform is that downloading free addons from the xp dot org forum was time consuming. The site is slow. Plus, the best addons are sold by a particular seller that I have no interest in buying from them again.

Those are primary reasons XP 11 is NOT the sim that I would recommend to my students or to anyone who asks me on social media.

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Before this thread gets locked, I just want to add that I have been playing Red Dead Redemption II  (RDR2 for short) and both its gameplay and graphics make all flight sims look like the classic video game pong. RDR2 is a US wild west simulation set in the late 19th century so alas, no powered aircraft, like its Take Two games sibling GTA5.

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Still on P3D version 3.4  Fly it every day, and it works every time, no issues, no problem's. Will wait and see what version 5 offers, and if I can afford a new PC to run it. Zero interest in X Plane which I have tried many times. 

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With all former versions I've tried to stay with them for longer time which finally turned out to be just some days. I guess defering version 4.4 or 5.0 will not take much longer for me.

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10 hours ago, Rocket_Bird said:

I need to update the nav databases manually;

Not totally sure what you mean by manually (aero.sors?), but, (wasn't sure if you knew) FSAerodata does it automatically. You would have to have a Navigraph subscription as well, but, there is no great harm in that; both reasonably priced.

Please disregard if you knew this already.:smile:  

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I use XP11 for

  • narrowbody (737/A320)
  • regional/props
  • helos
  • GA
  • night lighting
  • ortho scenery
  • PBR

I use P3D4 for:

  • PMDG widebodies
  • QW 787
  • ORBX landclass
  • Asian mega airport hubs
  • awesome shaders
  • Active sky
  • UT live

The biggest weakness of both these sims is not extracting maximum out of CPU and being hard on performance.. both the sims are very close in terms of overall appeal, but the one that solves the CPU bottleneck and offers better fluidity will come out the winner.

 

 

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I will definitely update right away on any 4.x update.  The big question is what to do about P3D v5 if and when it comes out.  It all depends on the features, hardware required and what happens with addons.  After re-purchasing all of the PMDG (and other) products from FSX to P3D, I am not sure I am willing to buy them again for v5.  Now of course nobody knows if addon developers will charge for v5, how much, etc.  It all goes into the mix of what to do.  My personal hope is that the updated addon software required for v5 is somewhat minor and that most developers will just charge a reasonable upgrade fee...which is totally fine with me, they should be compensated for their time.

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Since the 2000's I've never seen XP so "powerful", I mean attracting FSX/P3D users. I'll give it a try when I get a new SSD next year. I heard that default scenery XP is better than FSX/P3D. What about the default planes? Are they good, at least for GA AC (eg the Baron often seen in YouTube videos) or we must go payware to have quality planes?

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The recent release of the TBM 900 by Hot Start for XP has inspired me to install another SSD and venture into another sim world, been using FSX/P3D for many years and time to try something new with XP. I'm pretty much a GA fan and hope to build a home cockpit using the TBM 900, it's that good, and XP seems to be the go too platform for home cockpits? But will continue also with my P3D set up!

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Upgrading to the 64bit version of P3D was a way to get rid of OOMs for good, and most people saw that as a no brainer (apart from a few die hards like me) :tongue: However, upgrading to v5 is not likely to be quite as clear cut.

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1 hour ago, Simicro said:

I heard that default scenery XP is better than FSX/P3D. What about the default planes? Are they good, at least for GA AC (eg the Baron often seen in YouTube videos) or we must go payware to have quality planes?

Scenery is different and better in some parts (the roads are awesome). Lighting (at night) certainly is better. For quality planes you still need payware. Imho at least. XP11 simply didn't click with me. Too much things missing or not as good as in P3D, even with addons (weather, weather related textures, ATC, planes, airports (way too many empty airports)... well, everything apart from some of the graphics).

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11 hours ago, pracines said:

Not totally sure what you mean by manually (aero.sors?), but, (wasn't sure if you knew) FSAerodata does it automatically. You would have to have a Navigraph subscription as well, but, there is no great harm in that; both reasonably priced.

Please disregard if you knew this already.:smile:  

 

I actually didn't know about FSAerodata, so thanks for pointing that out.  Yeah, I use aero.sors.  I actually don't mind updating it so much as the fact that P3D still needs updating in the first place.  The scenery and database is all FSX era, which is over a decade old and makes this sim feel like a dinosaur.  FSAerodata and Navigraph sounds nice and all, but paying for subscriptions isn't really my cup of tea (although I do do one time navigraph airacs for some of my airliners just to keep things reasonable).  

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