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2 hours ago, PaulFWatts said:

The very reason why developers don’t do this is illustrated by this thread where someone has tried to helpfully throw out their opinion on approximately when it may be released and then someone has said there is now a promised release date. 

 

 

 
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Although I agree, it would be nice to just have an official update from the developer confirming the project is alive and what its status is 

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1 hour ago, callsignrobin said:

Although I agree, it would be nice to just have an official update from the developer confirming the project is alive and what its status is 

No developer owes us an explanation or confirmation of anything.  If they have news to share they will share it.  When A2A was making their bonanza, I really wanted an update (along with many others), but they didn't share an update until it was time.  It's their business so I trust them to share when they're ready.

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12 hours ago, ryanbatcund said:

No developer owes us an explanation or confirmation of anything.  If they have news to share they will share it.  When A2A was making their bonanza, I really wanted an update (along with many others), but they didn't share an update until it was time.  It's their business so I trust them to share when they're ready.

Wrong!
This developer went public on FSElite with an announcement 4 weeks ago and seems to have "lead us on" and have us believe the Vertx DA62 would be released by now.
I did not buy the Carenado on the back of his implicit promise that the Vertx would be out by now.
I think he owes us an update.
Frankly IMHO this type of behavior does not bode well for the type of support we can expect from Vertx.


 

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17 minutes ago, MatthewS said:

Wrong!
This developer went public on FSElite with an announcement 4 weeks ago and seems to have "lead us on" and have us believe the Vertx DA62 would be released by now.
I did not buy the Carenado on the back of his implicit promise that the Vertx would be out by now.
I think he owes us an update.
Frankly IMHO this type of behavior does not bode well for the type of support we can expect from Vertx.


 

You havent paid him anything, theres no contractual obligation, the dev owes you nothing.

Reading between the lines, the implicit reason as I understand it (and I may be totally wrong) is that release is dependent on a point update of P3D.  If so, the dev will be under NDA and cant tell you anything about that, even if he wanted to.

This is obviously such a major first world problem, but if it vexes you so much, why not go and buy the competing version?

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Hi Folks,

What ?

I think we need to start issuing brown paper bags to prevent hyperventilating around here...

:tongue:

 

Regards,
Scott

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While we wait, I'm enjoying the entertainment 😂

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1 hour ago, kevinfirth said:

You havent paid him anything, theres no contractual obligation, the dev owes you nothing.

 

Yes but if the developer wishes to get and keep the goodwill of future sales he will try to keep people informed especially if he has made an announcement of say "in November".

Goodwill should matter, one company lost all future sales to me by charging to upgrade in Xplane while the P3D update was free.  I have bought several planes since then and a few of them would have been of that company if not for this.  

 

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So @Paul Golding there's a certain Boeing missing from P3Dv4. Any chance?😁

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5 minutes ago, harrry said:

one company lost all future sales to me by charging to upgrade in Xplane while the P3D update was free.

But the workload from FSX to P3D, P3D V3 to P3D V4 is totally different from FSX to XP11 or P3D to XP11.

Basically this developer had to start practically from scratch to provide the airplane for XP as both sim have totally different platforms and SDK.

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S.

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Just now, simbol said:

But the workload from FSX to P3D, P3D V3 to P3D V4 is totally different from FSX to XP11 or P3D to XP11.

Basically this developer had to start practically from scratch to provide the airplane for XP as both sim have totally different platforms and SDK.

Regards,
S.

But not from X-Plane 10 to X-Plane 11

 

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Just now, harrry said:

But not from X-Plane 10 to X-Plane 11

 

Ok I miss understood your comment, but sometimes the workload does change a lot, Laminar Research is very draconian withing their own new releases as they do not consult with any 3rd party content providers and they do not care if their changes will brake things.

This is why I do not develop anything for XP, I hate how the SDK works (plus it is weak) and the way LM treat 3rd party content providers.

S. 

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17 minutes ago, BillS511 said:

So @Paul Golding there's a certain Boeing missing from P3Dv4. Any chance?😁

I can just imagine how cool that Boeing would be, updated to todays standards (yes I'm biased), but it sadly will remain imaginary.  I've tried re-booting the development since FSX came along, but never managed to get the right people involved at the right times.

For me at least, the solution is to use something like the MadDog and pretend there's another engine back there😉

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1 hour ago, MatthewS said:

Frankly IMHO this type of behavior does not bode well for the type of support we can expect from Vertx.

Sean is famous for his excellent support. Don't worry about that.

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2 minutes ago, Rimshot said:

Sean is famous for his excellent support. Don't worry about that.

Not to mention that the old RealAir stuff was about as close to bug free as you can get, and so needed little support anyway!

This thread boils down to "well respected chap with a great history of releasing high quality add-ons, mentioned in a press release on 28th September that he hopes to release the aircraft in the “next few weeks”.

I guess those (wrongly) suggesting things like broken promises must've been absolutely p155ing their pants waiting for something like the Aerosoft CRJ 😂  

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1 hour ago, harrry said:

Yes but if the developer wishes to get and keep the goodwill of future sales he will try to keep people informed especially if he has made an announcement of say "in November".

You obviously have not read or know anything about the developer referenced by the OP.

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2 hours ago, scottb613 said:

Hi Folks,

What ?

I think we need to start issuing brown paper bags to prevent hyperventilating around here...

:tongue:

 

Regards,
Scott

Or white paper bags for anyone experiencing nausea from reading this thread. 😉

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16 minutes ago, DJJose said:

You obviously have not read or know anything about the developer referenced by the OP.

Actually I do.  An excellent developer in a partnership which suddenly stopped selling unfortunately leaving for some time purchasers stranded for a period which fortunately they rectified.  I look forward to this new product and hope it can be as good as the previous ones.

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The bar for new airplanes in our sims keeps getting set higher and higher. I can’t imagine the work it takes to develop the type of systems depth demanded by our community...especially the highly advanced glass cockpits of today. 

If RealAir’s legacy...not the plane but the developer’s proven track record...is any indication of what Sean will release, this is going to be worth waiting for. 

...and for anyone who hasn’t started their own business, that’s not a trivial matter either. Patience is warranted. Hopefully we as adults can show a little grace. 

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3 hours ago, MatthewS said:

Wrong!
This developer went public on FSElite with an announcement 4 weeks ago and seems to have "lead us on" and have us believe the Vertx DA62 would be released by now.
I did not buy the Carenado on the back of his implicit promise that the Vertx would be out by now.
I think he owes us an update.
Frankly IMHO this type of behavior does not bode well for the type of support we can expect from Vertx.


 

You misread the news release then.  There was NO promise.  It was a hope that it would be released.  I've been a beta tester for 15 years.  Developers miss their target nearly every time.  Usually it's because they're adding more features. 

Edited to be nice.

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"Tis sorta funny, I've been sitting here for "50 Minutes" trying to think of something "nice" to say about the feelings of entitlement portrayed by some. I've never understood that concept and never will. If a perception of entitlement is a valid thing, then we are all in trouble. I would say that, editing to be nice, is a higher road than the black-art of becoming entitled.  

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24 minutes ago, jimcarrel said:

If a perception of entitlement is a valid thing, then we are all in trouble.

Hi Folks,

LOL - this is kind of a microcosm of the problems we see in the real world on a daily basis - and yes we are...

Regards,
Scott

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20 minutes ago, scottb613 said:

Hi Folks,

LOL - this is kind of a microcosm of the problems we see in the real world on a daily basis - and yes we are...

Regards,
Scott

+100

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6 hours ago, MatthewS said:

Wrong!
This developer went public on FSElite with an announcement 4 weeks ago and seems to have "lead us on" and have us believe the Vertx DA62 would be released by now.
I did not buy the Carenado on the back of his implicit promise that the Vertx would be out by now.
I think he owes us an update.
Frankly IMHO this type of behavior does not bode well for the type of support we can expect from Vertx.


 

Oh for goodness sake! 😒

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1 hour ago, scottb613 said:

Hi Folks,

LOL - this is kind of a microcosm of the problems we see in the real world on a daily basis - and yes we are...

Regards,
Scott

This is so true today!  Sorry Scott, but I could hit the "LIKE" button only one time.

Greg

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3 hours ago, ryanbatcund said:

You misread the news release then.  There was NO promise.  It was a hope that it would be released.  I've been a beta tester for 15 years.  Developers miss their target nearly every time.  Usually it's because they're adding more features.

Semantics...

There was an implicit "promise" to deliver in about 3 weeks and Vertx let the article run without requesting a correction,Vertx have still not released, issued no update and still have no website and IMHO only made the FSElite announcement to take a little "wind out of the sails" of the Carenado release.

If this happened in the "real world" with publicly listed, lawyer-ed up companies then quite likely Vertx would be subject to allegations of Antitrust behavior.

Anyway, this is really just a "storm in a teacup" but come on Sean just post a one line comment anywhere with an update, remember you already went public, so we are "owed" an update.

I'm sure Vertx will deliver a great product eventually, I've owned RealAir products in the distant past and they were great!

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