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Reply post to Peter Webber:

I had the same phenomenon of the black screen and background noise. Waited a few minutes longer and suddenly the simulator came up and runs like a dream.

After that no start up issues observed anymore.

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Same here but when I use a stock aircraft, fps are climbing back.
Probably something to do with addons compatibility IMO (F1 GTN and FS Labs should be uninstalled until new versions are released)

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17 minutes ago, mdreyer said:

I installed client only as a test. I run an 8700k @ 4.6, 1070TI, 16 GB ram, windows 10. I deleted the P3D cfg and shaders. At the same airport as my default saved location in V4.3, and same aircraft and settings as 4.3, I get a 15 fps drop in 4.4. I'm stumped! Back to 4.3 I go..... 😖

This is strange, I gained 10 - 15 FPS with the new release during beta tests and this figure was also confirmed by other members of the team during the last Beta test phase of the product.

Please note it is strongly recommended to perform a full install, 4.4 includes lot of changes on the engine and the issues you are experiencing might be related to the fact that you are missing the Content and Scenery elements.

This can be also  related to some add-on you are using, can you do the comparison using a default airport and a default airplane? also be sure you updated your video drivers to the latest version.

All the best,
Simbol

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8 minutes ago, jcorstjens said:

Reply post to Peter Webber:

I had the same phenomenon of the black screen and background noise. Waited a few minutes longer and suddenly the simulator came up and runs like a dream.

After that no start up issues observed anymore.

This is a normal behaviour with this release as all the shaders changed and need to be recompiled the first time the sim loads.

We all experienced similar things during Beta tests.

Regards,
S.

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18 minutes ago, mdreyer said:

At the same airport as my default saved location in V4.3, and same aircraft and settings as 4.3, I get a 15 fps drop in 4.4. I'm stumped! Back to 4.3 I go..... 😖

I bet a case of beer you word not allowed your settings, why did you delete the .cfg in advance? Don't do that ONLY if you have problems and just rename it so you have a backup.

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Just now, JoeFackel said:

Don't do that ONLY if you have problems and just rename it so you have a backup.

You can still fish it out of the Recycle Bin

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1 minute ago, simbol said:

This is a normal behaviour with this release as all the shaders changed and need to be recompiled the first time the sim loads.

We all experienced similar things during Beta tests.

Regards,
S.

Is there any way to make the user aware what is happening while the screen is black? Like when you see P3D V4 shows the progress of generating a new installed scenery. Maybe like P3D says ”Please wait, shaders is recompiling” and a progress percentage indicator.

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Just now, casv said:

Is there any way to make the user aware what is happening while the screen is black? Like when you see P3D V4 shows the progress of generating a new installed scenery. Maybe like P3D says ”Please wait, shaders is recompiling” and a progress percentage indicator.

No that I am aware of.. I will suggest this to LM for future releases.

S.

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1 minute ago, ErichB said:

You can still fish it out of the Recycle Bin

Hopefully. But not if the has the same bad habbit then me using always Shift+Del 😉

Thx god i make weekly backups!

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17 minutes ago, simbol said:

This is strange, I gained 10 - 15 FPS with the new release during beta tests and this figure was also confirmed by other members of the team during the last Beta test phase of the product.

Please note it is strongly recommended to perform a full install, 4.4 includes lot of changes on the engine and the issues you are experiencing might be related to the fact that you are missing the Content and Scenery elements.

This can be also  related to some add-on you are using, can you do the comparison using a default airport and a default airplane? also be sure you updated your video drivers to the latest version.

All the best,
Simbol

Would uninstalling and re-installing the 3 components be the same as uninstalling P3D and re-installing it from scratch? 

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4 minutes ago, joemiller said:

Would uninstalling and re-installing the 3 components be the same as uninstalling P3D and re-installing it from scratch? 

It is easier to just uninstall P3D and re-installing it.

You only run 2 processes instead of 4.

S.

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1 hour ago, addman said:

I love it when there's a new P3D release/update and everybody goes "ooo!" and "aaaa!" about the performance when running a clean P3D install without add-ons. Whilst on the subject of performance, water rendering has apparently been optimized a bit, according to the release notes, so that's good I guess.

I believe due to the water rendering optimization which you refer to, you are having a "sub conscious" "ooo!" "aaaa!" reflex action. Welcome to the 4.4 club...😊

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1 minute ago, Peter Webber said:

I believe due to the water rendering optimization which you refer to, you are having a "sub conscious" "ooo!" "aaaa!" reflex action. Welcome to the 4.4 club...😊

Ooooooo.... Aaaaaaaa ?  Sounds like a mattress infomercial.  😁

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42 minutes ago, jcorstjens said:

Reply post to Peter Webber:

I had the same phenomenon of the black screen and background noise. Waited a few minutes longer and suddenly the simulator came up and runs like a dream.

After that no start up issues observed anymore.

Hi, my issue was a permanently black screen, not related to shader cache rebuild. It was caused by FS Labs A320x throwing up an error message when the sim was loading leaving me with a black screen. I uninstalled the plane and all is well...will wait for an update from their side.

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5 minutes ago, simbol said:

It is easier to just uninstall P3D and re-installing it.

You only run 2 processes instead of 4.

S.

Hummmm. Gosh but to reinstall all those add-ons will take some considerable time. I guess I'll start with the one-by-one approach. if it fails, then it's a sign that I need buy me a brand new, bigger SSD. 🤗

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I am looking forward to 4.4 . 

Is there a "easy" solution to all the scenerys i have installed in scenery.cfg by the old method or do they need to be reinstalled ?

There still is alot there.

Alternativ i could try just with the Client only i guess. 

Thanks Michael Moe

 

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2 minutes ago, Michael Moe said:

s there a "easy" solution to all the scenerys i have installed in scenery.cfg by the old method or do they need to be reinstalled ?

I usually backup my old scenery.cfg for this reason and just drop it back in 

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2 minutes ago, Michael Moe said:

I am looking forward to 4.4 . 

Is there a "easy" solution to all the scenerys i have installed in scenery.cfg by the old method or do they need to be reinstalled ?

There still is alot there.

Alternativ i could try just with the Client only i guess. 

Thanks Michael Moe

 

I have the old method as well, and use Scenery Config, which is a beautiful beast. Start with the Client, and make sure to backup your Scenery.CFG (Always back-up, back-up, back-up)

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11 hours ago, charliearon said:

Really??  It's the feeling you seen, or done something more than once.  Like living yesterday all over again.

I had Amnesia and De Ja Vu at the same time.

 

Just a minute........ I think I've forgotten that before!

 

Stu

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1 hour ago, simbol said:

It is easier to just uninstall P3D and re-installing it.

You only run 2 processes instead of 4.

S.

Here I will only un- and reinstall the Client as I have seen no important fixes/updates in Scenery and Content which would cause a FPS improvement .. 

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1 hour ago, ErichB said:

I usually backup my old scenery.cfg for this reason and just drop it back in 

Thanks

Along with the "effects folder" i guess

Thanks

Michael Moe

 

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6 minutes ago, Michael Moe said:

Thanks

Along with the "effects folder" i guess

Thanks

Michael Moe

 

Let us know how it goes Michael, am planning on only Client update, but if you only need to back up the Scenery Config i might do the other two also. Using the way Jim did it, one at a time.

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well,

 

Installed client only (Doing a major upgrade in the new year) and must say I am very impressed on first impressions.

 

SimStarter does not work so I loaded from the Prepar3d GUI and can confirm that load times most definitely seem faster. VSync off,Triple Buffering off and frames unlimited and I was holding a steady 40fps on my mid range system and it seemed smoother.

 

This is with Orbx FTX England coupled with UK2000 Leeds Bradford in the Just Flight Piper Warrior.

 

This point update arrived perfectly for me as I was just beginning to lean towards XPlane 11 but I have a huge investment in Prepar3d with add ons so it has breathed new life for me and to cap it off, venturing into Vatsim as well...

 

I can confirm SimStarter does not work but all UK2000 and ORBX do.

 

Hope this helps

 

Dave 

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Looks like business as usual at my end with no definite improvements in fps and certainly not the observed boost to the Aerosoft A320.

Maybe a new update encourages a placebo effect that all our woes have all be cured even if all the indications are that things have changed very little.

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12 hours ago, Rob Ainscough said:

It's a glitch in the Matrix ... watch for black cats.

Cheers, Rob.

or everything that happens twice. Agents..they are coming

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