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First reactions to P3Dv4.4

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This is almost a blueprint of every post release Day one thread.  I bet beers that in 2 or 3 weeks time 4.4 will be the best thing since sliced bread. 

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I love how performance is tied entirely to the little green counter in the corner and if it’s not fixed improvement in some guy named Bill’s YouTube scenario where he took side by side screen captures then it can’t be true. 

Think or performance like your heart rate 🙂. If you exercise everyday and improve performance you’ll see places where it’s better but it won’t always be a perfect apples to apples from the old you.  But you will have a better performing heart muscle overall.

Overall performance can be better without your one scenario being better!

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OMG... before P3D 4.4 I had like 15 FPS, after now i have close to 70 FPS!!!!!

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2 minutes ago, Mitch24 said:

OMG... before P3D 4.4 I had like 15 FPS, after now i have close to 70 FPS!!!!!

i guess......no

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10 minutes ago, Maikel van der Heijden said:

Why? Uninstall client, install client, uninstall scenery, install scenery, uninstall content, install content. For you next run FTX central, FSDT live updater and install the Active Sky Beta patch. Thereafter you'll be good to go.

While doing so should I back up p3d.cfg, dll.xml and scenery.cfg (for old style scenery installations) or will they stay untouched? I think it was Virtuali who said earlier here P3D would uninstall only the files it created and since these files are created by P3D, will they be gone? Or since we are uninstalling and re-installing one by one will they remain?

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Sorry about the double post.

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54 minutes ago, J van E said:

I also would like to be able to block all posts from view that contain words like 'seem to be' and 'looks like'... We get remarks about seemingly improved performance after each and every update and up to now they all turned out to be caused by changed settings, different addons or simply placebo effects and wishful thinking. Anyone who says something like 'performance seems to be better' should be banned from this topic and only allowed back in after he or she has done some serious testing and can prove their findings with hard numbers. 😎

OK, I see the smiley and all, but...

Basically you're concerned that in a post titled "First reactions.." people are sharing their, well, first reactions?

Look, I'm as skeptical as anyone when it comes to claims of improved performance, but I think it's perfectly OK for people to share their first impressions in a day-one thread like this.

I look forward to more details and solid apples to apples comparisons as time goes on, but I have zero problems with "seems to" and "looks like" in early impressions threads like this one.  It's all part of the fun!

Scott

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8 minutes ago, costamesa said:

While doing so should I back up p3d.cfg, dll.xml and scenery.cfg (for old style scenery installations) or will they stay untouched? I think it was Virtuali who said earlier here P3D would uninstall only the files it created and since these files are created by P3D, will they be gone? Or since we are uninstalling and re-installing one by one will they remain?

Some of the addons you described are also installed on my PC. I Always backup my scenery.cfg but updating from 4.2 to .3 I've never had any problems.

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Nice reading here, while I am sitting in front of my machine doing a complete overhaul. New Win 10 installation, new drivers, all my necessary applications, then at the end I'll install 4.4 on a "brand new" system. Having back-ups of all my former files (system and 4.3) it should take only another two or three days and I am back where I want to be. And this time I will be even more restrictive when it comes to P3Dv4 compatibility. See you then.

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Hi

Does anyone else have this problem? When closing P3D it remains running in the background - as seen in Task Manager

Cheers

Chris

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2 hours ago, addman said:

W

What I meant was that of course people will see performance improvements when they go from a totally add-on burdened old install of P3D to a completely fresh add-onless install. "Amazing! my sim runs so well withouth 876 add-ons installed to it!" lol!

Yes I understand. Was just having a laugh. An addon of mine prevented the install. I deleted it and all was well. I heard they are working on an update.

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5 minutes ago, chrisal said:

Hi

Does anyone else have this problem? When closing P3D it remains running in the background - as seen in Task Manager

Cheers

Chris

I have this issue with 4.3. This is made worse by Windows 10’s lame restart-every-program-that-was-open-when-you-shut-down “feature”

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1 hour ago, AnkH said:

I still do not get it, to me, it is not really helpful that LM constantly insists that besides Client, everything is "optional", this results in the discussion we have now and again. My question: do we profit from the improved autogen and water rendering if the Client alone is updated? I guess no... However, as others stated, doing a full install takes ages, but I might take the plunge nevertheless. But as updating the Client only takes almost no time, I will certainly start off with doing this. If I see already improvements doing so, I might wait for a full reinstall until I have a full weekend off...

I don't know the correct answer to your excellent question but to ease your heart and mind:

These install options seem crazy until one thinks it through like you just did...some have the time and desire others do not. Eventually we all get to a full install for various reasons.:smile:

4.4 is only truly 4.4 when one has done a complete uninstall and reinstall. I personally take the time to fully uninstall P3D and every addon, to go with pure default to get a full sense of what 4.4 is. I will slowly add in P3D settings (with and w/o VR) that I prefer, to get a feel of what I can do with my system; if I need to buy a new system then I will. After a couple of weeks (hours a day) of only P3D the compatible add-ons slowly get added over weeks. All of this helps me better understand what affects performance on my system or whether its time for a new system. In the long run after this testing period, I'm essentially enjoying P3D days on end w/o even a hiccup.

Now that the long awaited and most valuable 64-bit is here we should not forget how good we have it....all the rest is the stem of a cherry on top in comparison. :biggrin:

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, UAL4life said:

I have this issue with 4.3. This is made worse by Windows 10’s lame restart-every-program-that-was-open-when-you-shut-down “feature”

I'm using windows 7 and always had the same issue.

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No one is using a camera add-on like EZDOK here ? 

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I'm curious how the new scenery load range configuration works.  Anyone tried it out?  Does it stop the long pause that generally occurs when a complex add-on airport loads, or does it just move that long pause further out? (which would still be an improvement not to have it happen during the terminal phase).

Regards

 

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1 hour ago, Mitch24 said:

OMG... before P3D 4.4 I had like 15 FPS, after now i have close to 70 FPS!!!!!

Then clearly Mitch you were running different settings previously. 

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10 minutes ago, pao said:

No one is using a camera add-on like EZDOK here ? 

I used to until I used to get so sick and tired of all sorts of niggly little problems and then I fixed it once and for all:

I uninstalled it and bought chaseplane - no more problems.

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1 minute ago, briansommers said:

I used to until I used to get so sick and tired of all sorts of niggly little problems and then I fixed it once and for all:

I uninstalled it and bought chaseplane - no more problems.

Thanks.  You don't feel it takes more on the fps than EZDOK ?

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14 hours ago, jimcarrel said:

I didn't know we had the milky way above our heads. Never seen it before. Maybe all this time shader tweaking had it hidden from me.

It is more likely you flew in the wrong moonphase to see it.

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2 minutes ago, pao said:

Thanks.  You don't feel it takes more on the fps than EZDOK ?

No

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First tryout of 4.4

just make a client update, to run with the same situation that mine stable 4.3

results:

- faster access for loading the first p3d Window.

- on EHAM Amsterdam a gain of 3fps then before. (With most cursors on max) ...is a flying-test that I keep always for tryout of versions...

- sharpness of textures are sure better.

think is a progress version but come back to 4.3, waiting the evolution to 4.4 of tools and aircrafts (as 717 Tdfi hdg don't work)

see you soon on p3dv4.4

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4 minutes ago, pao said:

Thanks.  You don't feel it takes more on the fps than EZDOK ?

No, but I haven't done any comparison test. 

It's so worth the money. You'll kick yourself that you didn't do this earlier. The one feature I love is that you can assign the same button to different views and then use that button to "cycle" through your views. For example, I have one button on my joystick that I click and it shows the main panel, then I click it again and it will show landing gear lights and/or throttles, etc I fly small GA aircraft so this is great to quickly check when on final. 

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23 minutes ago, pao said:

No one is using a camera add-on like EZDOK here ? 

Chaseplane is a decent camera add on and is already compatible with v4.4

First class support too.

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