Rockliffe

Pauses Finally Cured?

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I think there are very few simmers around here who don't experience occasional pauses in P3d to some extent or other, including myself. The pauses seem to have got worse for me. Initially they would happen occasionally. sometimes only for maybe a second, but more recently they have become more commonplace and occasionally last for about five seconds...not good. I'm sure many can associate with this experience. Anyway, after reading some posts on Avsim and reading a recent one from Rob Ainscough regarding switching off sceneries, I thought I would do a fairly long test flight in the NGX. So I am not going to suggest this is a cure for everyone, I am just posting my personal findings after having done a few changes. The following flight from Pula to Barcelona, which I think is about 450 miles, took place today with V4.4 and Active Sky. I didn't experience a single pause. THAT'S NOT TO SAY I WON'T TOMORROW, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE MY EXPERIENCE TODAY.

I7-6700@4.3, 16Gb/3200Mhz RAM, GTX1080Ti, Win10 on 125gb SSD, P3d 650Gb SSD, 4K 43" monitor

Aircraft: NGX

Addons: Active Sky, REX Texture Direct, Orbx Vector (most things off except major roads), Orbx Global, Aerosoft LEBL, Orbx LDPL

Only cfg tweak: FTF= 0.01
High resolution settings in P3D but no 
TEXTURE_SIZE_EXP=10 in cfg. for this test

4xSSAA

ALL ORBX REGIONS AND NA LC SWITCHED OFF.

FRAMES LOCKED INSIDE P3D TO 30 WITH VSYNC ON. No Nvidia Inspector.

So I hope this is of some help to others and to see if the cure is with these settings. 

Cheers,
Howard.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Interesting Howard, please keep us posted if the cure remains

Cheers,

Pierre

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If you have FSUIPC installed make sure you don't have "autosave" enabled. It will cause a pause while it enters the save.

 

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10 minutes ago, Vineguy said:

If you have FSUIPC installed make sure you don't have "autosave" enabled. It will cause a pause while it enters the save.

 

You made me go and check. :dry:  Unfortunately Autosave is already disabled. Have been for years now that I think of it. :smile:

Good effort though.

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1 minute ago, Ron Attwood said:

You made me go and check. :dry:  Unfortunately Autosave is already disabled. Have been for years now that I think of it.

Same here!!

 

Russ

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Someone else suggested that these pauses might be related to Orbx.

I have had some really bad pauses and once when using the Majestic Dash8, it caused me to go bouncing down the runway. During the pause I could hear " 50...30...20...Long Landing, Long Landing..." then it unpaused and I was nose down and completely out of control.

Next time I fly the Dash8, maybe I'll turn off Orbx and see if that helps.

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9 hours ago, Vineguy said:

If you have FSUIPC installed make sure you don't have "autosave" enabled. It will cause a pause while it enters the save.

 

Sadly, this has been regularly considered as a possibility, but extensive reporting has suggested otherwise, hence posting my findings 😊

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10 hours ago, Vineguy said:

If you have FSUIPC installed make sure you don't have "autosave" enabled. It will cause a pause while it enters the save.

 

These long pauses appear to be different to autosave.  I know on my own system the pauses were repeatable in exactly the same location regardless of any interval times of a possible save.  I could get a pause or up to 8 seconds, slew backwards a couple of miles then fly forwards again and get another pause in exactly the same spot

Chris

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10 hours ago, Rockliffe said:

I think there are very few simmers around here who don't experience occasional pauses in P3d to some extent or other, including myself. The pauses seem to have got worse for me. Initially they would happen occasionally. sometimes only for maybe a second, but more recently they have become more commonplace and occasionally last for about five seconds...not good. I'm sure many can associate with this experience. Anyway, after reading some posts on Avsim and reading a recent one from Rob Ainscough regarding switching off sceneries, I thought I would do a fairly long test flight in the NGX. So I am not going to suggest this is a cure for everyone, I am just posting my personal findings after having done a few changes. The following flight from Pula to Barcelona, which I think is about 450 miles, took place today with V4.4 and Active Sky. I didn't experience a single pause. THAT'S NOT TO SAY I WON'T TOMORROW, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE MY EXPERIENCE TODAY.

I7-6700@4.3, 16Gb/3200Mhz RAM, GTX1080Ti, Win10 on 125gb SSD, P3d 650Gb SSD, 4K 43" monitor

Aircraft: NGX

Addons: Active Sky, REX Texture Direct, Orbx Vector (most things off except major roads), Orbx Global, Aerosoft LEBL, Orbx LDPL

Only cfg tweak: FTF= 0.01
High resolution settings in P3D but no 
TEXTURE_SIZE_EXP=10 in cfg. for this test

4xSSAA

ALL ORBX REGIONS AND NA LC SWITCHED OFF.

FRAMES LOCKED INSIDE P3D TO 30 WITH VSYNC ON. No Nvidia Inspector.

So I hope this is of some help to others and to see if the cure is with these settings. 

Cheers,
Howard.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Howard,

I commented on the other Long Pause post this morning as the pauses Im experiencing in 4.4 appear worse than in 4.3.  Had in the past managed them by switching off all US and OZ Orbx regions using a config tool if flying in UK or Europe and it had reduced pauses to a stutter at known locations but sadly they are now 1 second pauses.  I dont want to have to switch even more off because I may fly between regions.  I assume with your flight you are not flying over ORBX regions hence disabling them? 

Chris

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1 hour ago, cj-ibbotson said:

Howard,

I commented on the other Long Pause post this morning as the pauses Im experiencing in 4.4 appear worse than in 4.3.  Had in the past managed them by switching off all US and OZ Orbx regions using a config tool if flying in UK or Europe and it had reduced pauses to a stutter at known locations but sadly they are now 1 second pauses.  I dont want to have to switch even more off because I may fly between regions.  I assume with your flight you are not flying over ORBX regions hence disabling them? 

Chris

Hi Chris, that sounds discouraging 😐 Sure, this particular test was in Europe, so from Croatia to Spain. No Orbx regions activated anywhere, only Vector and EU LC. Interesting to see what you mentioned about the pauses happening in one particular place. If that is the case, and I am far from an expert, but I would have thought if something is repeatable, then it opens up the possibility of finding the cause.

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17 minutes ago, Rockliffe said:

Hi Chris, that sounds discouraging 😐 Sure, this particular test was in Europe, so from Croatia to Spain. No Orbx regions activated anywhere, only Vector and EU LC. Interesting to see whta you mentioned about the pauses happening in one particular place. If that is the case, and I am far from an expert, but I would have thought if something is repeatable, then it opens up the possibility of finding the cause.

I bought additional scenery recently from Orbx so perhaps I need to review what Im disabling as what's enabled maybe too much.  I see you had commented on the other thread so should be aware that Rob Ainscough had commented, there was also links to his original post on ORBX forums back in 2015 as he experienced a long pause at Milford Sound in NZ which he could repeat.  Orbx blame the sim. Hard to know as I mainly use Orbx scenery and they are quite unique.  Unsure if anyone else produces such large regions so the quantity of files needing read is enormous.  I remember in the past having all scenery enabled worldword but disabling mesh, Orbx Vector and the LC packages from them but still got pauses in south England, also got them at one repeatable location in Norway and Pacific North West.  Soon as I got them in the past I saved the flight so that I could slew back and repeat the pause.

Chris

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1 minute ago, cj-ibbotson said:

I bought additional scenery recently from Orbx so perhaps I need to review what Im disabling as what's enabled maybe too much.  I see you had commented on the other thread so should be aware that Rob Ainscough had commented, there was also links to his original post on ORBX forums back in 2015 as he experienced a long pause at Milford Sound in NZ which he could repeat.  Orbx blame the sim. Hard to know as I mainly use Orbx scenery and they are quite unique.  Unsure if anyone else produces such large regions so the quantity of files needing read is enormous.  I remember in the past having all scenery enabled worldword but disabling mesh, Orbx Vector and the LC packages from them but still got pauses in south England, also got them at one repeatable location in Norway and Pacific North West.  Soon as I got them in the past I saved the flight so that I could slew back and repeat the pause.

Chris

😢 hhm, do the pauses happen if the scenery is reloaded same location, fresh, so the cache is emptied?

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4 minutes ago, Rockliffe said:

😢 hhm, do the pauses happen if the scenery is reloaded same location, fresh, so the cache is emptied?

Havent tested much on 4.4 but do know Im getting a long pause round the same area even if the sim is restarted.  Pauses in past tests, before I started using a scenery config tool, were in exactly the same spot, more scenery enabled the worse they were, just europe switched on gave a slight pause, everything enabled..8 second pause even with all settings to the left so there was basically no texture, no autogen etc.  These happened with a restarted pc and sim and were 100% repeatable.

Chris

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1 hour ago, cj-ibbotson said:

pauses in south England

I mentioned my scenario too in the other thread that's currently going here on Avsim...Does anyone get severe long pauses around the Clacton(CLN) VOR on the east coast of the UK?  For me, any flight departing London area airports that use this VOR is a horrible experience.  I had posted on this a few years ago and someone pointed me to a post on Orbx forum regarding this and Vector, I believe.  Unfortunately I could not log in to my Orbx account at the time and just gave up.  So I don't really know for sure if there is a fix or what that post said.  I just learn to live with it now or bypass that part of a SID if not flying online.

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56 minutes ago, klamal said:

I mentioned my scenario too in the other thread that's currently going here on Avsim...Does anyone get severe long pauses around the Clacton(CLN) VOR on the east coast of the UK?  For me, any flight departing London area airports that use this VOR is a horrible experience.  I had posted on this a few years ago and someone pointed me to a post on Orbx forum regarding this and Vector, I believe.  Unfortunately I could not log in to my Orbx account at the time and just gave up.  So I don't really know for sure if there is a fix or what that post said.  I just learn to live with it now or bypass that part of a SID if not flying online.

Hi Kevin, I was going to test CLN the other evening after reading your other comments.  I dont really fly around London City as it cripples my frames even with a 1080ti.  I do have Dynamic Lighting enabled which probably doesn't help.  Do you know what heading you are flying over CLN when it pauses? Is the pause over it or near it?  I will try tonight but do know the direction you are flying affects if a pause occurs or not.

Chris

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Hi,

I have the same issue (regular pauses, say every 1 minute or so, lasting 5 to 10 seconds) when Flying over UK or departing/Landing at Heathrow, Gatwick , Stansted....

I noticed that there is a momentary lack in the activity both of CPU and GPU. It's visible in regular, rithmic way : 5 to 10 secs. every 1 minute or even less.

Firstly I supposed it was a scenery related issue , but disabling scenery airport does not solve anything.

ORBX could be investigated, in my opinion....

Flying over other countries in whole Europe seems not have any related issue.

 B737/800 Home-cockpit - Prosim2.11 - P3d 4.3- GTX80ti - I74770 4,1ghz - 24 MB ram - tons of sceneries....

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1 hour ago, cj-ibbotson said:

Hi Kevin, I was going to test CLN the other evening after reading your other comments.  I dont really fly around London City as it cripples my frames even with a 1080ti.  I do have Dynamic Lighting enabled which probably doesn't help.  Do you know what heading you are flying over CLN when it pauses? Is the pause over it or near it?  I will try tonight but do know the direction you are flying affects if a pause occurs or not.

Chris

Hello Chris.

My heading is usually east/northeast(I don't recall the exact heading).  The route I'm flying is usually EGKK-ENGM when I fly over this VOR though I know other airports in the London area also have departures over this VOR.  So if you have access to charts, check the SIDS out of EGKK that are named CLNxx.  I don't recall the exact one as it's been a while since I've flown out of EGKK in that direction.  I believe that if you stick to the altitudes in the SID, by the time you reach the CLN VOR, you are somewhere around FL100-FL150.  The pauses happen within I'd say a 10nm radius of this VOR.  And they are long pauses and usually multiple ones.

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I have a pause problem occasionally, but a different kind. Running v4.2 still. In mid-flight the sim pauses, and i have to hit the "p" key to get it going again. What could cause this? Anyone ever experience this? I have lots of Orbx stuff running.

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17 minutes ago, lennie said:

I have a pause problem occasionally, but a different kind. Running v4.2 still. In mid-flight the sim pauses, and i have to hit the "p" key to get it going again. What could cause this? Anyone ever experience this? I have lots of Orbx stuff running.

Check in your options for PAUSE ON TASK SWITCH - be sure that is UNchecked - see if that helps.

Vic

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Just for information, I spent two hour today flying the B60 in Spain with photoscenery, with the settings and sceneries disabled as described in my first post, and again, I did not experience any pauses.

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It's best not to give these pauses any more publicity. It just encourages them. Ignore them and they'll get bored and go away. :dry:

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Sadly this subject keeps rearing its head and nothing definitive has come out of it. Couple of thread examples:

https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/529858-extended-pauses-revisited-inviting-user-input/

https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/535967-having-problems-with-5-10-second-freezes/?do=findComment&comment=3845600

I have noted during testing procedures for certain 3rd Party Developers that when I have the sim stripped back these pauses tend to go away. Narrowing it down, it does appear that ORBX may be implicated in some way. Nowadays, I only enable those Global Regions and Airports required for a particular flight and that seems to be helpful. This has been confirmed by others to be quite effective. The Lorby SI P4AO tool is a great help in this regard.

It would seem that the sim may still be scanning for stuff geographically far remote from your current flight situation. What the trigger is is anyone's guess. It's a shame Orbx and LM have not yet felt inclined to investigate, but then their development rigs probably run with fairly lean installations and it's quite likely they will never see these pauses.

Mike

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Lately I have Window's Resource Monitor running in the background. When stutters happen, I can see P3D accessing files - often not scenery-related by the way - that have high response times (20 or more ms). Very often the files belong to objects that are being injected via SimConnect (UTL, GSX).

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I have following ORBX sceneries installed:

Global Base, Trees HD, Pacific North West, Pacific Fjords, Alaska South, Northern Rockies, Central Rockies, New Zealan South, New Zealand North, Pago Pago.

And then a bunch of ORBX Airfields and Airports for PNW, PFJ, NRM, CRM, Alska, ESSA, LOWI.

I see no pauses or stuttering, but has also disabled all AI traffic that comes with any of the sceneries.

I also own Vector, but has not installed it

 

FinnJ

 

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I have had terrible stutters and pauses recently landing on e.g. RW31L with FSDT New York v2 using P3D v4.4 with e.g. the PMDG 737-800NGX. This was with Orbx FTX Global, Orbx LC North America and the DD New York City installed (very nice but only Lite version installed). The installation of P3D v4.4 was only by way of updating the Client and Content not a full installation.

I decided to uninstall everything (including P3D v4.4) and start afresh with a full installation of P3D v4.4. In the absence of FSDT New York v2 and with only the default scenery and default JFK airport, the same approach was repeated and NO stutters and pauses were experienced. I then reinstalled FSDT New York v2 (which demands installation of SODE and GSX), repeated the same approach and the same stutters and pauses returned (the main pause is long at about 3-4 seconds, VERY annoying on the approach). At this stage no Orbx scenery has been installed. I then decided to uninstall GSX and SODE (only interested in the approach) and repeated the same approach again, this time butter smooth and no stutters or pauses. Whereas one's experiences may be machine-dependent, the process of elimination I have been through has pinpointed the culprit to GSX or SODE or possibly both causing the stutters and pauses, not the FSDT scenery for JFK per se. Also at this stage, LM and Orbx are exonerated from the proceedings since I have proved the default scenery works fine out of the box and Orbx has not been reinstalled.

Other than a full uninstall of GSX, is there a way of disabling GSX without such measures to avoid these issues? How could GSX influence the behaviour at lower altitude nearing the airfield? There have been reports of SODE causing stutters but I thought that had been fixed in the latest 1.6.3 version.

My specs are very modest with an Intel 875K turbo-boosted and overclocked to 4GHz, GTX 1070 with 8GB RAM and 16GB DDR4 memory cards installed. 

Oh, by the way, I have used no tweaks in the cfg file or use of Vsync etc.

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