Pete Dowson

Anyone know what might set traffic slider to 100%

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I'm currently using UTLive, but i still have my old favourite MyTraffic installed. I simply set the traffic slider to 0%

I leave it installed because on some flights I know I'll be using airports which simply do not have enough UTLive traffic to suit me. Aslo, with the traffic slider up a little way I can get a few more types of flights -- military and more cargo -- than provided by UTLive.

BUT something, and I can't seem to track it down, keeps whacking the traffic slider up to 100% from 0%. Does anyone here have a clue what might be doing that?  If I turn it down it stays down for the rest of that session, so it is something one of my add-ons is doing at startup.

BTW I'll probably change over to using the traffic BGLs generated by the AIG manager, as that gives me an immense variety, but first I need to randomise the traffic % set in the plans so I can adjust it, otherwise there's just so much traffic at places like EGLL that P3D almost stalls. (Yes, I know I can use my FSUIPC limiter, but there's so much needing deleting that I'm sure it must affect performance a bit when it is faced with the constant deletion. A rather lower level is desirable I think).

Pete

 

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Hello Pete,

are you using SimStarter? That caused this problem on my system. I had to change traffic settings in SimStarter instead of P3D to keep traffic levels at my desired level.

Peter

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By default, UT2 overides P3D's traffic slider. You have to set it within the UTLive control panel that comes with it.

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1 hour ago, qqwertzde said:

are you using SimStarter? That caused this problem on my system. I had to change traffic settings in SimStarter instead of P3D to keep traffic levels at my desired level.

No. I did try it for a day, but it wasn't closing some of the programs I got it to start. i only tried it because I though P£D4 was running a little better with only 4 out of 10 cores assigned, and that stopped me having FSUIPC loading the same add-ons with different cores assigned.

After more experiments I found P3D4 was smoother without restricting its cores so went back to FSUIPc loading (and closing) my add-ons.

1 hour ago, Cai Zicheng said:

By default, UT2 overides P3D's traffic slider. You have to set it within the UTLive control panel that comes with it.

UTLive moves it to 100%? I could understand it a bit more if it moved it down to 0% (as it advises you to do anyway), but 100% is weird!

I'm sure UTLive used to be okay and not do this, so something must have upset its settings -- I'll check.

Thanks!

Pete

 

 

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Hi Pete,

No UTL doesn't change the traffic sliders, it injects traffic via SimConnet so this would be counter productive.

It must be something else, maybe AIGAIM?

Regards 

Simbol 

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Pete,

I don’t know any command that can increase traffic to 100% but there is the capability in UTL to increase and decrease the traffic % with keyboard commands. I have a couple of GoFlight buttons assigned for that action. CTRL+Shift+F9 and CTRL+Shift+F11.

Maybe there’s an option in there to increase it to max and you have something assigned to it by accident.

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5 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Pete,

I don’t know any command that can increase traffic to 100% but there is the capability in UTL to increase and decrease the traffic % with keyboard commands. I have a couple of GoFlight buttons assigned for that action. CTRL+Shift+F9 and CTRL+Shift+F11.

Maybe there’s an option in there to increase it to max and you have something assigned to it by accident.

Yes but this is the traffic levels of UTL.

S.

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6 minutes ago, simbol said:

Yes but this is the traffic levels of UTL.

S.

I know. That’s what I’m talking about.

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UTLive injects traffic outside the simulator via SimConnect, and MyTraffic 6 uses the AI Traffic slider in the P3D setup menu. When you say that you "turn it down", are you referring to settings in UTLive, or the AI traffic percentage in the P3D setup menu?

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7 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

UTLive injects traffic outside the simulator via SimConnect, and MyTraffic 6 uses the AI Traffic slider in the P3D setup menu. When you say that you "turn it down", are you referring to settings in UTLive, or the AI traffic percentage in the P3D setup menu?

Who is that directed to?

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I think he is saying the slider in P3D - that's what controls My Traffic Traffic. He only bumps that up at airports where he wants more than what UTL provides.

Pete, what is it set for your default flight?

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4 hours ago, Pete Dowson said:

 I though P£D4 was running a little better with only 4 out of 10 cores assigned, and that stopped me having FSUIPC loading the same add-ons with different cores assigned.

After more experiments I found P3D4 was smoother without restricting its cores so went back to FSUIPc loading (and closing) my add-ons.

 

Results I have been seeing suggests you might want to use 6 or 7 cores for P3D on a 10 core. I can't honestly see any sense in restricting P3D to four cores.

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...just been having a closer look on a couple of 10s; loading time halves between 4 and 7 cores, but no decreases in loading time were noted after that. Bizarre results show that there is some other limit(s) encountered within the system or the sim. A couple have identified odd behaviour down to certain scenery and AI traffic models. Let me assure everyone that AMs or HT do not cause odd behaviour since these only alter the available CPU count 'apparent' to that app...chaos if it did.

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The loading time show the throughput available during gathering new scenery and objects for display shortly in the sim. So when that loading time is optimised that is reflected throughout the run of the simulation. Adding more cores simply loads the system for no extra gain, and pushes out other stuff wanting to gain performance at that very time.

Think of it like a rifle. The gas in the cartridge discharges until it expands no more. If the projectile has still some travel to do down the tube, the friction of the extra travel reduces the ultimate muzzle velocity.

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I've also got some new results from a 10 via a PM here. This was more to do with ascertaining HT pairs that might accelerate the loading process and improve the sim performance at the same time. The results show this is easily possible with HT enabled but the pairs are hit and miss. Needs care in the setup but can gain 20% loading performance with the right pairs. Some results show doubling of loading performance but these were suspect due to other circumstances within the system.

CPUs don't run on electrickery, they work down to a mathematical definitions, of which the rules work the same for all systems rigorously.  As always, I'm not directing my posts at any OP's in particular. Often I definitely* include something that OP already knows well - in other words I'm not trying to be patronising in those circumstances. That will happen as I deal with lots of enquiries my posts go out to all readers.

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5 hours ago, simbol said:

No UTL doesn't change the traffic sliders, it injects traffic via SimConnet so this would be counter productive.

It must be something else, maybe AIGAIM?

I've not installed or run AIGAIM on that PC. I've generated all the traffic files on my test PC, which isn't using UTlive, only MT6 previously and now the AIGM traffic. I do have all the files and the correct AddOns.XML file(s) ready to install on the cockpit PC though, but not till afterr I've randomised the % values.

5 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I don’t know any command that can increase traffic to 100% but there is the capability in UTL to increase and decrease the traffic % with keyboard commands. I have a couple of GoFlight buttons assigned for that action. CTRL+Shift+F9 and CTRL+Shift+F11.

Maybe there’s an option in there to increase it to max and you have something assigned to it by accident.

Those deal with the UTLive traffic levels, not the P3D traffic slider which is the one being moved to 100%

5 hours ago, duckbilled said:

Pete, what is it set for your default flight?

Traffic-wise, you mean?  I don't think traffic levels are stored in flights nor set by them. When starting up the P3D4 traffic slider should be at zero, the way it is set in the Prepar3D.CFG file. I don't realised it's been moved to 100% when i notice the immense amout of traffic and the poor frame rates!

1 hour ago, SteveW said:

I can't honestly see any sense in restricting P3D to four cores.

It just looked good when I tried it initially -- all 4 were being used equally and none at 100% At least that's what is was like in my first test. Wasn't the same with other tests. Anyway, this is way off topic. It was only incidental in explaining why I stopped using SimStarter.

Pete

 

 

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51 minutes ago, Pete Dowson said:

Those deal with the UTLive traffic levels, not the P3D traffic slider which is the one being moved to 100%

Pete

It wasn’t clear what you were referring to as both P3D and UTL can both reach 100%.

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2 hours ago, Pete Dowson said:

Anyway, this is way off topic. It was only incidental in explaining why I stopped using SimStarter.

 

 

Of course it's not the primary topic, why no need to mention as I said, not directed at you. However you did like to mention that you've been mucking around with core counts but appear to be unsure how to go about it in your description, and so I see that as just as valid a question - therefor I've attempted to explain how you and any others can find the sweetspot by observing the proper procedures. In that post I mentioned you might be better off with six or seven reserve three for the other stuff.

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Perchance are alternate configs being loaded i.e. Profiles in P3D's Display Global settings?

Profiles do store traffic config info ([TrafficManager]) which can be different between profiles.
 

Cheers

 

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2 hours ago, Rogen said:

Perchance are alternate configs being loaded i.e. Profiles in P3D's Display Global settings?

No, no profiles ever used.

Thanks for the suggestion though.

Pete

 

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Have you tried deleting your Prepar3d.cfg file, and letting P3D build a new one? A long shot, but worth a try.....

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2 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

Have you tried deleting your Prepar3d.cfg file, and letting P3D build a new one? A long shot, but worth a try.....

Yes, and also restored from a backup. I'm sure it is some addon doing it, not P3D itself.

I can of course get over the consequences by simply disabling MyTraffic when I'm not intending to use it. Then the 100% setting has no effect. But it is annoying so I will embark upon a process of elimination on the add-ons.

Pete

 

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Pete,

I guess we will need a list of all your add-on's to catch the culprit.

For your information there is a SimConnet command that alter the traffic levels values and it leaves it saved for the next run of P3D.

Regards 

Simbol 

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25 minutes ago, simbol said:

For your information there is a SimConnet command that alter the traffic levels values and it leaves it saved for the next run of P3D.

Yes I know. It is used by the assignable FSUIPC controls for traffic level reset/restore and via some FSUIPC offsets. This was done by a hack into the code before it was added to SimConnect.

I can easily fix it by having a small Lua plug-in which resets the Traffic slider to 0 when FSUIPC starts, or later when "ready to fly". But I will be checking which adon is doing it anyway. 😉

Pete

 

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It can't be too hard to switch off half your addons to find the culprit? I always say strip back the sim if it does something unfamiliar.

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