Gary McCluskey

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I'm looking at the upgrade to v4.4, which I only learnt about yesterday! The instructions for ungrade is to first uninstall the current version I have on my machine :

To install the Prepar3D v4.4 Client, you must first uninstall the previous Prepar3D v4.0/v4.1/v4.2/v4.3 Client through Programs and Features in Windows Control Panel. Do not deactivate your license when prompted.

My worry is the amount of time it will take to uninstall all of my addons, then v4.3; then do all in reverse but with v4.4 install first. It's that what needs to be done - an entire 'clean up' then install with the new version

Gaz

 

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I suggest you update the client only. that's what I did and cleared out the shader cache before restarting P3D. it's well documented here (somewhere). you won't have to uninstall/reinstall everything else. the other 4.4 packages are optional and can wait until you have a week with nothing to do 😉

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24 minutes ago, Gary McCluskey said:

It's that what needs to be done - an entire 'clean up' then install with the new version

No, you don't have to uninstall and reinstall all your addons.

P3Dv4 consists of three 'components' -- client, content and scenery. Each of these components can be uninstalled/reinstalled and generally should not affect your addons (with the exception of Orbx who steadfastly continue to refuse to comply with the SDK -- in this case because they insist on modifying core P3D files, if you update the scenery module then clearly some of the Orbx files will get overwritten and you will need to reinstall).

Updating P3Dv4 is mostly very straightforward and painless -- uninstall the old client, install the new one, carry on!

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Thanks guys, but that's sounds really bad news. It doesn't really matter if its one of the modules, or all of them - if one needs reinstalling, do the addons? .

Unfortunately, mine does include quite a lot of Orbx. 

6 minutes ago, skelsey said:

carry on

When you say that, I get the impression you mean to carry on doing reinstalls, rather than using p3d? (I have to admit, I don't know the difference between components).

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 Right in your quote from LM, it doesn't mention to uninstall the whole thing, just the client and maybe the content if you feel so inclined (really a no-brainer as it only takes a couple more minutes).

 As mentioned above, your addons won't be harmed.

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1 minute ago, Dave_YVR said:

Right in your quote from LM

Noted. 

If the addons that are already installed won't be harmed, will that definitely include Orbx? skelsey suggested it would. 

Gaz

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Its a 5 min job to upgrade the client only. Follow this guild here in the P3D tips and tricks. No you don't have to uninstall anything else or re-install anything else. 20 mins max.

 

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Gary,

I uninstalled P3D client, installed 4.4 client, deleted my shader cache, and P3D.cfg, ran the Orbx library updater in FTX Central, and all was good. No reinstall of Orbx scenery.

A couple of weeks later I saved a backup of the P3D default Beechcraft aircraft, uninstalled P3D content, installed P3D 4.4 content, replaced the default Beechcraft aircraft I had backed up, deleted my shader cache, and P3D.cfg, ran the Orbx library updater in FTX Central, and all was good. No reinstall of Orbx scenery.

Finally, about 2 weeks ago I uninstalled P3D scenery, installed 4.4 scenery, deleted my shader cache, and P3D.cfg, ran the Orbx library updater in FTX Central, and all was good. No reinstall of Orbx scenery.

I don't think I spent more than a cumulative hour for the entire process above.

Just do the client first and delete you shader cache and P3D config., run the Orbx library updater in FTX Central, and you're done. If you want to do content and/or scenery, do it later after you've had a chance to make sure all is good with the new client.

Kind Regards,

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I do not know where everyone gets the idea they have to uninstall all their add-ons.  Lockheed made it pretty simple with making xml files for all add-ons and placing the xml's in the C:\Documents\Prepar3DV4 folder.  You can now move to another computer without reinstalling your add-ons.

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1 hour ago, Jim Young said:

I do not know where everyone gets the idea they have to uninstall all their add-ons.  Lockheed made it pretty simple with making xml files for all add-ons and placing the xml's in the C:\Documents\Prepar3DV4 folder.  You can now move to another computer without reinstalling your add-ons.

I used to be a programmer, and now I'm not and had to take years out of IT work and using sims. If you'd gone through the same thing you may understand the days when they switched to using XML. 

The instructions manual, pointed out to me today, does say that some of my addons need reinstalling after the client update. 

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Okay,

I give up...many have offered experience from ACTUALLY updating to v4.4, but it doesn't seem to be sinking in.

Kind Regards,

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23 minutes ago, Gary McCluskey said:

The instructions manual, pointed out to me today, does say that some of my addons need reinstalling after the client update. 

There are a few add-on programs that have a direct hook into P3D and will need updating to work with any new version on P3D. The 3 that come to mind are, "Chaseplane", "Active Sky", and "FSUIPC".  If you use any of these, you will need the latest version for it to work with P3Dv4.4.  

Chaseplane should have already auto updated for you already, if you use that program. The other two you can download the lastest versions. 

If you just update your "client" portion of P3D, it will not affect any add-on scenery or aircraft. 

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3 hours ago, Gary McCluskey said:

When you say that, I get the impression you mean to carry on doing reinstalls, rather than using p3d?

No, carry on using P3D!

Re: Orbx -- as others have mentioned it is less a full reinstall and more a run FTX central and let it put back anything that got overwritten (probably no need if you just do the client update, but if you do scenery and/or content you may need to)

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Honestly, it couldn't have been easier and quicker to update.

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52 minutes ago, Buffy Foster said:

Honestly, it couldn't have been easier and quicker to update.

Agreed. I have found problems, such as with Active Sky and the Flight Ultimate Traffic - but very easy to fix. I have not tried GSX yet. 

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1 hour ago, somiller said:

Okay,

I give up

Why? Thanks to all the advice I've been given on here, I'VE DONE THE Update and it generally worked, I had to run one updates as I was told, and I have a little more testing to do, but it's looking good. 

Thanks, Gaz

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6 hours ago, Gary McCluskey said:

Why? Thanks to all the advice I've been given on here, I'VE DONE THE Update and it generally worked, I had to run one updates as I was told, and I have a little more testing to do, but it's looking good. 

Thanks, Gaz

Glad  you  have  it  sorted  if  you  would  have  gone to the lm  site  there is  a  thread  on how  to  upgrade  to  4.4   written  by  "Poppet" which  describe  exactly  on how  to  do it

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Thanks for posting this thread. I will hope my hands up and state that the whole upgrading P3D has had me confused and pushed me away from using P3D for a good while. Hell think I still have P3D v4 only installed, as I really really didn’t want to have to reinstall everything again. It seems such a massive job. 

 

However reading this, it looks like I’ve completly and utterly got the wrong end of the stick, so will get the darn thing upgraded first thing tomorrow morning. 

 

God knows how many updates my addons will need as well, as I’m about a year out of date with them as well.

 

fingers crossed it all goes well.

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3 hours ago, cowboy10uk said:

Thanks for posting this thread. I will hope my hands up and state that the whole upgrading P3D has had me confused and pushed me away from using P3D for a good while. Hell think I still have P3D v4 only installed, as I really really didn’t want to have to reinstall everything again. It seems such a massive job. 

 

However reading this, it looks like I’ve completly and utterly got the wrong end of the stick, so will get the darn thing upgraded first thing tomorrow morning. 

 

God knows how many updates my addons will need as well, as I’m about a year out of date with them as well.

 

fingers crossed it all goes well. 

Posting comments like this will never get your sim to run properly.  As I and many other experts have advised, it is not P3D's fault for the most part.  Heck, I can get way over 300 fps with no blurries or other anomalies with P3DV4.5 in a default configuration (i.e., no add-ons).  It is the most stable sim I have ever owned.  But why is this?  Is it because I have one of the latest and greatest system on Planet Earth?  Well, yeah! That it runs well over 50 FPS even with a lot of MegaScenery installed and some hardcore resource intensive airports or a great weather program like ASP4 (soon to be ASP5). A lot of people install the best looking scenery and aircraft possible but that's the eye-candy the developers are throwing at you.  You know they make more money if the scenery has a lot of eye-candy.  Eye-candy sells products.  Keeping the scenery or aircraft close to the default is not eye-candy and not too many people are going to buy something that doesn't give them a lot of immersion.  Sound files take up resources too.  Autogen is disastrous on many systems.  But not on mine.  I picked up about 30 fps with my 4.5 installation vs the 4.4.  And I have proof using the utility which records fps that is part of the FSUIPC utility.  The sim is now great, not just good, it is great and I am having a great time flying and enjoying the immersion I'm getting with the latest and greatest hardware and software for the add-ons.  I really do not see how anyone can pound P3D into the ground when many others, like me, are enjoying it without any problems.

If you do not upgrade to the latest P3D version you are just throwing your hard-earned money away.  You know they charge $199 for many of us for EACH version (i.e. version 1, 2, 3, and 4 but it is free for versions within versions upgrades).  So not upgrading to the latest version and then installing the updates from the add-on developers is wasting your money.  Most of the commercial airports and aircraft were updated with the bug fixes released in each new version.  Soon there will be a version 5 and you'll have to pay the $199 again for it.  Members are slowly running out of time to enjoy the current version with all of their complaints.  AVSIM has a CTD Guide that not only fixes most CTD's but also has many other suggestions for getting the sim and the sim add-ons to work properly.

I hope you attempts to update your P3DV4 goes well but remember, you have to update some of the addons too.  For instance, not updating ActiveSky software or the FSUIPC utility could cause a lot of problems and many do not know where to go to get it all fixed and updated.  Back in the old FSX days, the experts advised everyone to install the sim and run it before installing anything else.  For me, I installed FSX, ran it once, then installed SP1 to FSX, ran it once, and then installed SP2 or Acceleration.  If it was all running properly, I would then start installing the add-ons and would start up FSX after installing EACH addon.  Some others use pirating tools like the Migration Tool where an add-on developer didn't include an installer for installing their product into the latest version but he showed the developers by making a tool that would install it anyway.  They there were CTD's, unexpected freezes, and every one was saying, P3D sucks.  It wasn't P3D that gave you the trouble, it was some add-on developer who was taking their time coming up with an update and/or those using the Estonia Migration Tool.  I think everyone needs to take a deep breath and stop complaining about P3D and Lockheed Martin Techs who are trying to make P3D one of the best sims ever.

Best regards,

Jim

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Here here, Jim, great post. I've been doing the same process since FS2004 days. I do like to see what the devs think my system can do and then go on from there. Especially with ORBX stuff I think a reboot (yep, still do 'em after deinstall/install every time. I know it's Win 10 but it still has a Registry after all) and then start the sim before moving on is the way to go. I generally have few addon problems and won't say it's because of this but...

As always, YMMV.

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Gerald,

Thanks for your comments.  Orbx/FTX is eye-candy at its grandest.  It creates a lot of immersion.  Fortunately, Orbx has a way to get rid of eye-candy if a person's computer cannot handle it.  You can simply switch off the eye-candy.  But, if you leave it you are risking having issues.  FlightBeam airports have ways to cut down on the eye-candy too and so does FSDT.  I stopped using Orbx as they have few updates to fix issues.  For instance, try installing KLAS, KLAX with MegaScenery or Regional scenery Orbx provides.  The solution to make them compatible is long and requires the highest level of concentration.  The individual developers who provide these products to Orbx should know how to fix this with the installers for the Regions.  The installer could scan your system for MegaScenery or Orbx Regional scenery like SoCal/NoCal.  You click what you have and the installer takes over and installs only the components needed.  Then you don't have to risk loosing your life finding the incompatible scenery and turning it .OFF.  If you cannot find it, you risk looking for a tall building to jump off to prove to others you are very frustrated.  You not only have to edit the Regional stuff but also, in some cases the airports made by FSDT and turn some of their stuff off.  The compatibility forum at Orbx is second to none and the individual who maintains that forum is one of the best but when a developer has developed a piece of scenery that is not compatible with other popular scenery, he/she needs to fix their installer and make the process as easy as they can for some of us old guys.

Best regards,

Jim

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