RTX 2070 results in v4.4

[Deltaair1212 53]

I just installed my MSI RTX 2070 8gb Duke OC into my rig. I swapped it over a GTX 1060 6gb card I had previously. It is paired with an i7-8700K @4.7ghz, and 32 gigs of Corsair Vengeance RAM @2666. I did mildly put some extra OC on the new RTX card just for giggles but it wasn’t anything serious. I did notice that in sim the card runs very warm. I have the three fans set at 70% just to keep the temps reasonable. When flying, I did notice a slight improvement over my GTX card. In situations where I’d normally be in the 30fps I was in the upper 40’s and low 50’s. My settings are a reasonable “medium high”. In cruise with Rex SF, AS4, and UTL running in the background, I am getting a steady 60fps (I have my frames synced with my monitor refresh rate). On the ground at orbx KMBS with the FSW Lear I was averaging 50fps. This was with thick overcast clouds I will note. With my GTX I believe that same scenario would have put me in the 30’s or high 20’s.

overall, I am happy with my purchase but all of this to say is, if you were looking into upgrading to the latest and greatest, you aren’t really missing much. The 2070’s are comparable to the 1080’s so if you already have a 1080, or 1080ti, keep them. Just a friendly heads up. 

Edited February 15, 2019 by Deltaair1212

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5 minutes ago, Deltaair1212 said:

overall, I am happy with my purchase but all of this to say is, if you were looking into upgrading to the latest and greatest, you aren’t really missing much. The 2070’s are comparable to the 1080’s so if you already have a 1080, or 1080ti, keep them. Just a friendly heads up. 

LOL, this is always the case with the flight sim and the video cards, it's been for years. I'll never ever go and spend an idiotic amounts of money for the latest and greatest, you'll learn...:)

[Deltaair1212 53]

4 minutes ago, Drumcode said:

LOL, this is always the case with the flight sim and the video cards, it's been for years. I'll never ever go and spend an idiotic amounts of money for the latest and greatest, you'll learn...:)

It wasn’t an “idiotic amount” for me, as I can afford to splurge lol. But that’s not why I upgraded. I did because I was going to do so anyways but I held off because of the mining situation. When it crossed my mind again I searched online for a new 1080ti and it was actually more expensive than the 2070. My 2070 was only $530. If you think $530 is an “insane amount of cash” then you might be in the wrong hobby my friend. At any rate, the card will last me for years so it’ll pay itself off over time 😊. Also, all in all it was an average 15-20fps increase over my 1060. I stated you probably wouldn’t see much of a difference between the 2070 and 1080. But I do incurage those with 1070’s and 1060’s to consider upgrading. 

Edited February 15, 2019 by Deltaair1212

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3 minutes ago, Deltaair1212 said:

It wasn’t an “idiotic amount” for me, as I can afford to splurge lol. But that’s not why I upgraded. I did because I was going to do so anyways but I held off because of the mining situation. When it crossed my mind again I searched online for a new 1080ti and it was actually more expensive than the 2070. My 2070 was only $530. If you think $530 is an “insane amount of cash” then you might be in the wrong hobby my friend. At any rate, the card will last me for years so it’ll pay itself off over time 😊. 

My bad, I mixed it up with 2080ti which I was researching last night while getting excited about the VR and getting Oculus Rift. I'm getting old 🙂

Edited February 15, 2019 by Drumcode

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16 minutes ago, Drumcode said:

LOL, this is always the case with the flight sim and the video cards, it's been for years. I'll never ever go and spend an idiotic amounts of money for the latest and greatest, you'll learn...:)

So P3D v4 doesn’t benefit from the latest hardware?

[Drumcode 1,893]

1 hour ago, mpw8679 said:

So P3D v4 doesn’t benefit from the latest hardware?

I never said that, but it is well known that switching just video cards isn't going to cure anyone's performance issues is what I meant.

[mpw8679 428]

17 minutes ago, Drumcode said:

I never said that, but it is well known that switching just video cards isn't going to cure anyone's performance issues is what I meant.

That is a very misleading statement.  P3D will take advantage of any GPU you can give it.

[Rocky_53 1,579]

10 hours ago, mpw8679 said:

That is a very misleading statement.  P3D will take advantage of any GPU you can give it.

Yes Matt, but far less than a lot of people believe. In FSX, upgrading the GPU would give very little performance boost, unless you were upgrading from a GTX 570 to a 1080ti for example. This, as most know, is because FSX was very much CPU bound. P3d is different, yes, but while it does put more of the work onto the GPU, it is nevertheless a lot less than some people expect to see.

[Benjamin J 751]

Thanks for the information, that's valuable to me. I'm currently on a GTX1070 and was wondering if it made sense to go to a RTX2070 or 2080. I have noticed that my computer gets hammered when there's lots of clouds in the scene (courtesy of ASP4), and was wondering if a better video card will help with that, primarily because at such times I notice that my GPU is running at 100% whereas my CPU typically isn't. Thus it seemed to me like there's a bottleneck at the GPU and a faster model may fix it... Any thoughts about that?

[kevinfirth 1,396]

53 minutes ago, Rockliffe said:

Yes Matt, but far less than a lot of people believe. In FSX, upgrading the GPU would give very little performance boost, unless you were upgrading from a GTX 570 to a 1080ti for example. This, as most know, is because FSX was very much CPU bound. P3d is different, yes, but while it does put more of the work onto the GPU, it is nevertheless a lot less than some people expect to see.

Balanced systems are the key.  A poor GPU paired with a great CPU is going to result in as unsatisfactory an experience as a great GPU with a poor CPU.  As long as the CPU doesnt act as bottleneck, P3D can eat as much GPU and more as you can throw at it...

 

[Deltaair1212 53]

10 minutes ago, Benjamin J said:

Thanks for the information, that's valuable to me. I'm currently on a GTX1070 and was wondering if it made sense to go to a RTX2070 or 2080. I have noticed that my computer gets hammered when there's lots of clouds in the scene (courtesy of ASP4), and was wondering if a better video card will help with that, primarily because at such times I notice that my GPU is running at 100% whereas my CPU typically isn't. Thus it seemed to me like there's a bottleneck at the GPU and a faster model may fix it... Any thoughts about that?

Honestly if you have a 1070, I would look into the 2060. It’s comparable to the 1070ti. But in some benchmarks, the 2060 has held its own next to the 2070. Which would make it comparable to the 1080. And the 2060 is still under $400 so it’s value to performance ratio is likable. 

[Deltaair1212 53]

12 minutes ago, kevinfirth said:

Balanced systems are the key.  A poor GPU paired with a great CPU is going to result in as unsatisfactory an experience as a great GPU with a poor CPU.  As long as the CPU doesnt act as bottleneck, P3D can eat as much GPU and more as you can throw at it...

 

And you are correct sir. People will be like “I just got a 1080ti and saw no performance increase!” But they have an i3 processor @1.5ghz lol 

[Bob Scott 7,720]

I often see folks expressing disappointment in a GPU upgrade because it didn't give them the performance boost they expected...and by performance boost, they generally mean an increase in frame rates.

The most important performance gain I see when deploying a high-end graphics subsystem in P3D is the ability to sustain a target frame rate under a wider range of operating conditions, especially those that present heavy GPU loads, where a less powerful graphics subsystem does not.  I can get 30 fps in daytime with clear weather on a 1080p monitor with much less than my current RTX 2080Ti (or the dual 1080Tis in SLI before that), but add a 3820x2160 4K monitor, heavy clouds and rain, night with dynamic lighting, etc and the difference becomes very apparent.

You can certainly manage to a good experience by controlling your operating conditions, but if you want to have the flexibility to operate without being hobbled by those limitations, a high-end GPU will bring it--at a cost, of course.  What I like about P3D compared to previous incarnations of ESP is that it will use what you give it...we struggled for years in FSX where deploying the fastest/bestest hardware often produced no meaningful results at all due to VAS, DX9, and other limitations that rendered (pardon the pun) the better hardware irrelevant in many respects.

Regards

[DylanM 1,069]

1 hour ago, Benjamin J said:

Thanks for the information, that's valuable to me. I'm currently on a GTX1070 and was wondering if it made sense to go to a RTX2070 or 2080. I have noticed that my computer gets hammered when there's lots of clouds in the scene (courtesy of ASP4), and was wondering if a better video card will help with that, primarily because at such times I notice that my GPU is running at 100% whereas my CPU typically isn't. Thus it seemed to me like there's a bottleneck at the GPU and a faster model may fix it... Any thoughts about that?

If it's clouds that are hammering your performance, then you are likely GPU limited (and a 2070 / 2080 would be a great upgrade). AA processing on cloud layers can contribute to a large proportion of GPU cycles.

[Rocky_53 1,579]

2 hours ago, Deltaair1212 said:

And you are correct sir. People will be like “I just got a 1080ti and saw no performance increase!” But they have an i3 processor @1.5ghz lol 

Exactly. I have to say, I went from a GTX1070 to a 1080ti in P3D and I saw a considerable difference, certainly worth paying the dosh for.

Edited February 15, 2019 by Rockliffe