PMDG NGX & Maddog X

[cip95 0]

Hi all!

I want to do these questions to expert simmers and real pilots that use these at the actual state of development:

which is the most realistic (in terms of AFDS, systems simulations in their completeness, fidelity with real aircraft, behaviour in flight, reactions with the weather etc.)?

I’m not speaking about add-on features (load manager, immersion, fuel planner, PBR models etc.).

Alessandro

[fakeflyer737 991]

Ive never flown a real NG or Maddog but theyre both great airplanes. The NGX development is done, theyre are doing an NG3 so i wouldnt get the NGX. The Maddog is still being developed and gets better with every update. Im almost done getting  a ppl does that count? 

[Ekim 30]

I have both.

Maddog has failures, icing, MEL system and a depth simulation on systems.

I have never flown any of both planes in reality, so i know anything about behavior in flight, reactions in turbulence...

 

 

[thibodba57 462]

I have a few hundred hours flying the Maddog (the real one) and I've been on the Beta team for Leonardo since before the release. There's the disclaimer.  Get the Maddog.  The feel of the aircraft is top notch, you'll be hard pressed to find a system that's not modelled.  The biggest downfall is you should purchase the TSS sound pack.  If you want a plane that will keep you busy and force you to read up on it it's definitely the way to go.  If you just want to babysit one, get the NGX.  If you want both get the iFly 73.  Pretty much the same as the NGX (yes this is true no matter what  anyone says) with cheaper price tag.

[eslader 1,774]

I'm not a commercial pilot, but I have a friend who worked in simulator IT for an airline and who used to get me into the level-D sims at night (pre 9-11), so I've experienced the full DC-9 sim as well as the full 737 sim among others. The NGX is great, especially for when it came out, but the Leonardo... Man. That is some good work. As in, get the engine start procedure right or you *will* set it on fire good. From what I can tell, it even takes wind direction into account on engine start - your temps rise higher if you start with a tailwind. It's the only plane I have, including the PMDG fleet, where you have to be really careful on takeoff lest you overspeed the engines and end up losing one right after V1. It's unforgiving and very quick to anger if you screw up, and I love that. If I were choosing between the two today, I'd get the Angry Puppy, no question.

But then I'll also most likely be replacing the NGX when PMDG comes out with v3, too. 😉

 

 

[Guest]

The NGX was released on August 4th 2011 and its $90. Nough said!

[cip95 0]

1 hour ago, Avidean said:

The NGX was released on August 4th 2011 and its $90. Nough said!

This doesn’t mean it’s worth them.

[Bob Scott 7,714]

1 hour ago, Avidean said:

The NGX was released on August 4th 2011 and its $90. Nough said!

The Maddog X was released in May 2010, if the release dates of the older FSX products are somehow relevant to this discussion.

 

[Guest]

23 minutes ago, w6kd said:

The Maddog X was released in May 2010, if the release dates of the older FSX products are somehow relevant to this discussion.

 

I stand corrected. I thought the Maddog was a relatively recent release. I think price should get lower as a product ages.

[cip95 0]

30 minutes ago, w6kd said:

The Maddog X was released in May 2010, if the release dates of the older FSX products are somehow relevant to this discussion.

 

I consider the Maddog X a semi-new product. From the older versions the new one seems an entire remake with the latest technologies and with new features, so I can understand the price of about €90. I can’t agree the same thing about the NGX, in fact it’s cost has remained since the release date, and it hasn’t seen any remake.

A car comparison: it’s like buying the first model at the same price of the release date and buying a new version of the same car (with new features, performance etc.) .

 

 

[thibodba57 462]

52 minutes ago, Avidean said:

I stand corrected. I thought the Maddog was a relatively recent release. I think price should get lower as a product ages.

It is a new release.  While there was a previous version of the Maddog the code has been refined, textures by far improved and more and more features being added.  To say the current release is the same as the old is to say the current PMDG 747 is the same as the old one.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, thibodba57 said:

It is a new release.  While there was a previous version of the Maddog the code has been refined, textures by far improved and more and more features being added.  To say the current release is the same as the old is to say the current PMDG 747 is the same as the old one.

In that case I don't stand corrected!😜

[JasonPC 173]

The Leonardo maddog is amazing and I would consider it more of a native p3dv4 aircraft rather than a port which I would consider the pmdg 737.

[Bob Scott 7,714]

1 hour ago, thibodba57 said:

It is a new release.  While there was a previous version of the Maddog the code has been refined, textures by far improved and more and more features being added.  To say the current release is the same as the old is to say the current PMDG 747 is the same as the old one.

Well, that was my point exactly.  The versions of both add-ons released circa 2010 were not the same software being sold now. 

The implication was that the NGX for 64-bit P3D being sold today is the same product sold for 32-bit boxed FSX in 2011, which it isn't any more than the Maddog X is the same product sold for 32-bit boxed FSX in 2010.

Regards

[Pilot53 543]

1 hour ago, w6kd said:

Well, that was my point exactly.  The versions of both add-ons released circa 2010 were not the same software being sold now. 

The implication was that the NGX for 64-bit P3D being sold today is the same product sold for 32-bit boxed FSX in 2011, which it isn't any more than the Maddog X is the same product sold for 32-bit boxed FSX in 2010.

Regards

Wrong, the maddog for P3D is a redesigned addon, with many new features, textures, code, systems, visuals etc.  The NGX for p3d is no different from the fsx version in terms or features, systems, visuals, etc. it is a p3d port nothing more, any changes in code were done in order for the addon to function in the p3d environment.  I have both, they are both good addons with different strengths and weaknesses.  But if I had to choose between one in 2019 it would be the maddog, it is in active development and has more modern features like advanced icing simulation, pbr, rain effects, more failures (NGX does not simulate hot starts if you introduce fuel too early), and the cockpit is the right shape and looks amazing in VR.  The are a few things wrong with the engine indications but they will be fixed in the next beta I am told.

Edited March 27, 2019 by Pilot53