WilliamS

P3D v4 recommended PC specs?

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2 hours ago, WilliamS said:

OK. Please can we now forget the word budget. I need a system which can run P3D with the PMDG 737, some orbx products, and also so it looks good.

I could recommend the system I bought from Chillblast but it cost close to £3K. You should always name your max budget as people may recommend kit you can't afford. Balance is the key as others have said. If you want a recommend look at my signature for starters.

Are you building it yourself or buying from a supplier? You don't save that much building yourself and importantly, you get no warranty on the system - just individual components. Tip - buy from Scan or Chillblast. They were very good to me when I was selecting components.

The lowest fps I get with the PMDG737 is around 20 and that is inbound to Aerosoft Heathrow Xtreme over central London, 200+ Ai and running at 3840*2160. Most other times it's 30+ on the ground and locked at 60 when airborne.

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OK. Thanks. I would build my own only because it would be easily upgradable, you know? You can choose a motherboard which plans for the future etc. Thanks for the info, that kinda stuff is exactly what I was looking for!

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@WilliamS, are you going to overclock the CPU? That is standard procedure these days. I used to build my own until o/clocking was required but I didn’t feel comfortable doing it. So that’s when I went down the path of buying a system.

Others will tell you it’s straight forward. Only you can decide if you’re comfortable doing it.

Something being easily upgradable depends on what you want to upgrade. In two years time new CPUs may require a new motherboard chipset so you would  need to change mobo and memory too. But a faster graphics card can be easily swapped in both bought and self-built systems.

I debated for a long time over a 1080Ti or the newer 2080Ti. In the end I couldn’t justify the extra £400-500 for the newer card that had the same 11Gb memory. The 1080Ti is brilliant but sadly you may struggle to find a new one now.

Finally, consider what resolution you want to run at. The PMDG737 virtual cockpit in UHD means everything including the smallest text is readable. A 1080Ti or faster can easily cope.

Monitor or TV? What space is available for a 40”+ display? So much to consider and your wallet will take a pounding! 😉

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I've come up with this specification for Q1 2019 at under £1100 excluding peripherals:
• i5-9600k processor with Hyper212 Evo cooler, Gigabyte Z390 motherboard and 2x8GB DDR4-3200 RAM. (The extra cores/threads of an i7 or i9 are mostly unusable in P3D)
• RTX2060 graphics (Save money with a used GTX980 or GTX1070 for similar performance. If you have more money then fit an RTX2070 instead. 3GB minimum, suggest 6+GB).
• Crucial P1 M.2 500GB SSD primary storage, Western Digital Red Pro 2TB 7200rpm secondary storage (If you have the budget can use SSDs exclusively)
• Cases I recommend lots of large but slow fans (at least 92mm and ideally 120 or 140mm) with filters, and installing a reputable 550W+ semi-modular power supply (prioritise reputation, not wattage)
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/jkRYjy is a spec sheet with reputable brands already specified and links to purchase (at your own risk)

This build should be good for up to 1440p resolution or a superwide 1080p setup. A 27" monitor such as £185 AOC Q2778VQE or £290 BenQ EW3270ZL would seem a good fit, for those on a budget a 24" 1080p will do.

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44 minutes ago, ckyliu said:

@WilliamS

I've come up with this specification for Q1 2019 at under £1100 excluding peripherals:
• i5-9600k processor with Hyper212 Evo cooler, Gigabyte Z390 motherboard and 2x8GB DDR4-3200 RAM. (The extra cores/threads of an i7 or i9 are mostly unusable in P3D)
• RTX2060 graphics (Save money with a used GTX980 or GTX1070 for similar performance. If you have more money then fit an RTX2070 instead. 3GB minimum, suggest 6GB).
• Crucial P1 M.2 500GB SSD primary storage, Western Digital Red Pro 2TB 7200rpm secondary storage (If you have the budget can use SSDs exclusively)
• Cases I recommend lots of large but slow fans (at least 92mm and ideally 120 or 140mm) with filters, and installing a reputable 550W+ semi-modular power supply (prioritise reputation, not wattage)
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/jkRYjy is a spec sheet with reputable brands already specified and links to purchase (at your own risk)

This build should be good for up to 1440p resolution or a superwide 1080p setup. A 27" monitor such as £185 AOC Q2778VQE or £290 BenQ EW3270ZL would seem a good fit, for those on a budget a 24" 1080p will do.

Wow. Thank you so much! This is exactly what I was looking for! And under £1100... my goodness! But, @ckyliu I thought that P3D v4.1 was updated to make use of more cores? What kind of frames do you think I'd get with a few OrbX addons and the PMDG 737? Also, thanks Ray. I support your opinion - is RTX really worth the extra money... Yes, I would definitely o/c it.

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My system is 6 years old now so I can't give you performance figures for the above spec I posted. P3D does make better use of multicore vs FSX, but even the latest blockbsuter games often struggle to max more than 4 cores/threads and the latest i5 already has 6 cores, so no point spending extra on a i7 or i9 unless you're doing video editing or mega multitasking.

On my old rig I am getting 20+ fps most of the time with the sliders fairly far right, my settings and test scenario are at https://snag.gy/baZD49.jpg

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19 minutes ago, ckyliu said:

My system is 6 years old now so I can't give you performance figures for the above spec I posted. P3D does make better use of multicore vs FSX, but even the latest blockbsuter games often struggle to max more than 4 and the latest i5 already has 6 cores, so no point spending extra on a i7 or i9 unless you're doing video editing or mega multitasking.

On my old rig I am getting 20+ fps most of the time with the sliders fairly far right, my settings and test scenario are at https://snag.gy/baZD49.jpg

Thanks so much. New FS PC, here I come!

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If you can spend more I would go for an 8GB RTX2070 graphics card. P3D can chew through graphics memory at high settings.

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OK. Will do. Thanks for all of the advice.

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21 hours ago, mpw8679 said:

I really have to bite my tongue here.  But why is it a few select people on these forums feel the need to constantly attack others opinions?  If you don't have anything constructive to add don't bother posting at all.  I'm seeing this way to often lately.  So go ahead and offer your advice if your so smart.  I cant wait so I can openly bash your opinion.

 

21 hours ago, WilliamS said:

Matt, I hate to sound like a moderator here. I share your anger in that useless contribution, but last time I asked a question about P3D, it ended in the topic being closed because there was a fight about which simulator was better. I know this isn't the same thing, but...

What's not constructive or "useless" about a post saying that the OP doesn't have to splash spend X amount on a GPU in order to run P3D acceptably? He's not far off my own spec with what he has right now, and I'm happy with how P3D runs.

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7 minutes ago, Holdit said:

 

What's not constructive or "useless" about a post saying that the OP doesn't have to splash spend X amount on a GPU in order to run P3D acceptably? He's not far off my own spec with what he has right now, and I'm happy with how P3D runs.

Its just irritating. Why does someone always have to pick holes in a question?!

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7 minutes ago, WilliamS said:

Its just irritating. Why does someone always have to pick holes in a question?!

I thought trying to save you some money was the why.

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52 minutes ago, Holdit said:

 

What's not constructive or "useless" about a post saying that the OP doesn't have to splash spend X amount on a GPU in order to run P3D acceptably? He's not far off my own spec with what he has right now, and I'm happy with how P3D runs.

Because the post in question had no substance whatsoever.  It is rather annoying anytime someone posts there is always that "one guy" that attempts to discredit another members opinion.  If someone does not agree with my opinion that's perfectly fine but please at least make an attempt to explain your reasoning.   

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1 hour ago, Holdit said:

I thought trying to save you some money was the why.

Everyone's definition of a "budget" is different.  I try and make recommendations that can possibly save people money in the long run.  Spend a little extra now or risk spending a lot more in the near future because you are not satisfied with your performance.  P3D V4 requires a "stout" GPU to take advantage of dynamic lighting, shadows, heavy weather, and night flying.  It is was my opinion that a RTX2070 would be the cheapest GPU he could purchase now and not leave him disappointed with his purchase. 

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30 minutes ago, mpw8679 said:

Because the post in question had no substance whatsoever.  It is rather annoying anytime someone posts there is always that "one guy" that attempts to discredit another members opinion.  If someone does not agree with my opinion that's perfectly fine but please at least make an attempt to explain your reasoning.   

He did. He said that in his opinion a budget spec isn't a budget spec if it includes a $700+ graphics card. That seems clear enough to me.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, mpw8679 said:

It is was my opinion that a RTX2070 would be the cheapest GPU he could purchase now and not leave him disappointed with his purchase. 

Matt, don't collapse through shock but I agree with your recommendation of the 2070. I have just been comparing it to the 2080 but that is around £250 more expensive and I would say looking at these comparisons it's not worth it. Better to have the 2070 and then jump to a 2080Ti or faster when funds permit.

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-2070-vs-Nvidia-RTX-2080/4029vs4026

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3 hours ago, ckyliu said:

My system is 6 years old now so I can't give you performance figures for the above spec I posted. P3D does make better use of multicore vs FSX, but even the latest blockbsuter games often struggle to max more than 4 cores/threads and the latest i5 already has 6 cores, so no point spending extra on a i7 or i9 unless you're doing video editing or mega multitasking.

On my old rig I am getting 20+ fps most of the time with the sliders fairly far right, my settings and test scenario are at https://snag.gy/baZD49.jpg

P3D has no problems taking advantage of a 8 core CPU.  I experienced faster load times, better scenery rendering, and less mesh "shifting", when I upgraded from a 9600K to a 9700K. 

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5 minutes ago, Holdit said:

He did. He said that in his opinion a budget spec isn't a budget spec if it includes a $700+ graphics card. That seems clear enough to me.

 

 

A RTX2070 can be purchased for $500. 

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6 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Matt, don't collapse through shock but I agree with your recommendation of the 2070. I have just been comparing it to the 2080 but that is around £250 more expensive and I would say looking at these comparisons it's not worth it. Better to have the 2070 and then jump to a 2080Ti or faster when funds permit.

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-2070-vs-Nvidia-RTX-2080/4029vs4026

Haha I did get a little light headed Ray. That's twice we have agreed in one week!   

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Ray, did you know that the Gigabyte version is even less? £447. You know what? I agree with the 2070 idea as well. In case you haven't seen it, its here: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/jkRYjy from @ckyliu.. Regarding this ongoing budget argument - please just stop! Last time this happened, Charlie came swooping in to close the topic.

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5 minutes ago, WilliamS said:

Ray, did you know that the Gigabyte version is even less? £447. You know what? I agree with the 2070 idea as well. In case you haven't seen it: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/jkRYjy from @ckyliu, which I think is an excellent idea. In my opinion, budget = value for money (I think that's the phrase), and that design = value for money. Regarding this ongoing budget argument - please just stop! Last time this happened, Charlie came swooping in to close the topic.

You might want to consider a AIO water cooler for that 9600K.  The 6 and 8 core cpu’s do run a little hotter.  But it does depend on how aggressive you want to overclock.

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Aggressive? What are you talking about? *CPU melts through floor*

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2 minutes ago, WilliamS said:

Aggressive? What are you talking about? *CPU melts through floor*

What speed overclock are you going for?  Or are you not going to bother overclocking?

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4 minutes ago, mpw8679 said:

What speed overclock are you going for?  Or are you not going to bother overclocking?

I would overclock, but no idea how much. Probably as much as I can without it, you know, melting. I would buy water cooling, but it is quite expensive, and I would be very nervous about purposefully putting water inside my brand new PC, only to find that it leaks...

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