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P3D v4 recommended PC specs?

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4 minutes ago, WilliamS said:

I would overclock, but no idea how much. Probably as much as I can without it, you know, melting.

Go with liquid cooling

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7 minutes ago, mpw8679 said:

Go with liquid cooling

OK. Will do, thanks.

Also, congratulations everybody. We have turned this into a "Hot" topic.

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1 hour ago, mpw8679 said:

Everyone's definition of a "budget" is different. 

Exactly. I'm not even saying I'm disagreeing with your recommendation, because it's all down to the individual, but I didn't think the response to the contrary opinion was justified. After all, at the time, you gave no more justification for your opinion than Mr Low did for his.

Maybe if you'd included this at the time it would have been more helpful:

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I try and make recommendations that can possibly save people money in the long run.  Spend a little extra now or risk spending a lot more in the near future because you are not satisfied with your performance.  P3D V4 requires a "stout" GPU to take advantage of dynamic lighting, shadows, heavy weather, and night flying.  It is was my opinion that a RTX2070 would be the cheapest GPU he could purchase now and not leave him disappointed with his purchase. 

It reads a lot better than this:

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...why is it a few select people on these forums feel the need to constantly attack others opinions?

People disagree with each other all the time on discussion forums. That's how they work...especially on AVSIM.

 

 

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Paul, that's really not helpful! We are trying to move on from that minor issue in my phrasing which has since been inflated by certain people!

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7 minutes ago, Holdit said:

Exactly. I'm not even saying I'm disagreeing with your recommendation, because it's all down to the individual, but I didn't think the response to the contrary opinion was justified. After all, at the time, you gave no more justification for your opinion than Mr Low did for his.

Maybe if you'd included this at the time it would have been more helpful:

It reads a lot better than this:

People disagree with each other all the time on discussion forums. That's how they work...especially on AVSIM.

 

 

Thanks for the super helpful insight.  

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You're super welcome.

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Now that we are throwing useless comments around, shall we stop this fight?

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48 minutes ago, WilliamS said:

OK. Will do, thanks.

Also, congratulations everybody. We have turned this into a "Hot" topic.

I have a Corsair hydro cooler.  I think it is the h110i if I remember right.  Anyways it is on it’s 3rd build and still going strong.  Just FYI

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24 minutes ago, WilliamS said:

Thank you.

nvm

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@WilliamS, looking through your list I agree with Matt that you should get water cooling. Temps get pretty high with overclocking. Consider the Corsair H100 options. They’re all sealed units. You don’t need to top them up.

Just check the clock speeds of the various 2070 cards. Some may be faster but EVGA is a good make.

Your 500Gb SSD is cutting it a bit fine. By the time you’ve installed the OS that space will not be as much as you would like. Consider a 1Tb SSD.

No mention of which OS. I’d recommend Windows 10 Pro as it gives you more control over updates.

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14 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

@WilliamS, looking through your list I agree with Matt that you should get water cooling. Temps get pretty high with overclocking. Consider the Corsair H100 options. They’re all sealed units. You don’t need to top them up.

Just check the clock speeds of the various 2070 cards. Some may be faster but EVGA is a good make.

Your 500Gb SSD is cutting it a bit fine. By the time you’ve installed the OS that space will not be as much as you would like. Consider a 1Tb SSD.

No mention of which OS. I’d recommend Windows 10 Pro as it gives you more control over updates.

Ok. Are you sure about EVGA? Would it not be better to buy a Gigabyte one for my proposed motherboard (also, the GB one is cheaper than the others)? Also, I'm not sure about a 1TB SSD, as once you hit that kind of size, the price elevates quickly. Would it not be better to install Windows on the HDD and reserve the SSD for P3D?

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5 minutes ago, WilliamS said:

Ok. Are you sure about EVGA? Would it not be better to buy a Gigabyte one for my proposed motherboard (also, the GB one is cheaper than the others)? Also, I'm not sure about a 1TB SSD, as once you hit that kind of size, the price elevates quickly. Would it not be better to install Windows on the HDD and reserve the SSD for P3D?

Ray's EVGA recommendation is a good one.  I've had MSI, EVGA, PNY, and Gigabyte.  Never had a single issue with any one of them.  But if I did have issues EVGA's customer service would probably serve you best.

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14 minutes ago, WilliamS said:

Just check the clock speeds of the various 2070 cards. Some may be faster but EVGA is a good make.

OK. What did Ray mean by this?

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@WilliamS, don’t worry about mixing makes. It’s the chipset that matters and that remains the same. The only difference between makes tends to be clock speeds and perhaps warranty period.

Compare 1Tb versus 500Gb. Go with what is cheaper for total of 1Tb. SSDs are light so weight is not an issue. They are blindingly fast compared to HDD. If 2 500Gb SSDs are cheaper than the 1Tb go with those. OS on one, P3D on the other. But you can still use the OS one for P3D stuff.

Don’t install Windows to a HDD. Performance will be awful.

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4 minutes ago, WilliamS said:

OK. What did Ray mean by this?

The clock speed can be varied by the manufacturer. They’re not always the same speed. You need to read the tech spec for each card and go with the fastest but also consider the manufacturer.

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54 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Your 500Gb SSD is cutting it a bit fine. By the time you’ve installed the OS that space will not be as much as you would like. Consider a 1Tb SSD.

I wish people would read the attached notes at https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/553082-p3d-v4-recommended-pc-specs/?page=2&tab=comments#comment-3995572 I specifically say that if you have the budget you should go entirely SSD. I also say you should go up from a RTX2060 to an RTX2070 if you can afford it.

Just remember though there isn't a bottomless pile of cash, it's £1100 as on the attached spec. You upgrade to an RTX2070 (+£120), a 1TB SSD (+£55) and a water cooler (£+28 or more) and suddenly it's £1330. And the water cooler and SSD aren't going to improve framerates much.

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5 minutes ago, ckyliu said:

I also say you should go up from a RTX2060 to an RTX2070 if you can afford it.

A RTX2070 was recommended way before you came along.

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2 minutes ago, mpw8679 said:

A RTX2070 was recommended way before you came along.

Matt, don't you think that's kind of irrelevant? 

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7 minutes ago, ckyliu said:

I wish people would read the attached notes at https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/553082-p3d-v4-recommended-pc-specs/?page=2&tab=comments#comment-3995572 I specifically say that if you have the budget you should go entirely SSD. I also say you should go up from a RTX2060 to an RTX2070 if you can afford it.

Just remember though there isn't a bottomless pile of cash, it's £1100 as on the attached spec. You upgrade to an RTX2070 (+£120), a 1TB SSD (+£55) and a water cooler (£+28 or more) and suddenly it's £1330. And the water cooler and SSD aren't going to improve framerates much.

If by people you mean me there have been too many posts in a short time to recall everything that has been said. I'm sure William can be flexible on the final price.

SSDs won't change fps at all. What they do affect is loading time and improve it by a considerable degree. The only requirement for a HDD is for downloads and user documents that don't need the speed P3D requires. The items recommended are important to system longevity especially the Corsair cooling.

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14 minutes ago, ckyliu said:

I wish people would read the attached notes at https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/553082-p3d-v4-recommended-pc-specs/?page=2&tab=comments#comment-3995572 I specifically say that if you have the budget you should go entirely SSD. I also say you should go up from a RTX2060 to an RTX2070 if you can afford it.

Just remember though there isn't a bottomless pile of cash, it's £1100 as on the attached spec. You upgrade to an RTX2070 (+£120), a 1TB SSD (+£55) and a water cooler (£+28 or more) and suddenly it's £1330. And the water cooler and SSD aren't going to improve framerates much.

I agree with Ray. Except that I don't want my new PC to catch fire, then destroy itself and my house. Also, although an SSD won't improve frames in-game, it will improve loading times etc, which contributes to a much smoother, more enjoyable flight simming session. I think I probably would add on an RTX2070, a 1TB SSD, and water cooling, as the extra £200 is really worth what you're adding, and on the grand scheme of things, its not that much (compared to everything else). Also, the recommended requirements for p3d do say 8GB graphics card.

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13 minutes ago, ckyliu said:

And the water cooler and SSD aren't going to improve framerates much.

Why limit your overclock capability by using air cooling?  Plus the CPU will run cooler overall and makes for a much cleaner setup inside the case.

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Also, another important point that hasn't been covered yet is would any of you recommend running at 2K or just sticking to Full HD. On my current (24") monitor, I haven't ever had problems reading small text on the PMDG 737 in FSX.

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6 minutes ago, WilliamS said:

Also, another important point that hasn't been covered yet is would any of you recommend running at 2K or just sticking to Full HD. On my current (24") monitor, I haven't ever had problems reading small text on the PMDG 737 in FSX.

I've been at 4K for sometime now but it all depends what size screen you plan on using.  The way I see it is below 28 inch go for 1440P, larger then 28 inch go for 4K.  I couldn't imagine simming at 1080P.

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