New Palma de Mallorca from Justsim ?

[Urmel81 189]

41 minutes ago, Boeing or not going said:

Nobody talks about the behind the scenes of development at all. I bet these guys are the original developers for Aerosoft, and Aerosoft did not have them doing an update. Aerosoft then did a quick job updating it because they did not have the original talented modeling team. If you see airports that have not been updated by developers most likely the modeling team is no longer part of their group, like FlyTampa ignoring Dubai and Aerosoft ignoring Dublin.

That's wrong!

FlyTampa is updating Dubai at the moment. http://www.flytampa.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=13064

LEPA was developed by Simwings, they are still active and they are still working with Aerosoft. But they are also still using "old FS9 looking" textures. (or in the LEPA case - they don't want to change them). That's their style. And I'm not a fan of this old style, time has changed. The only good looking airport (as I remember now) is still Anchorage, that was their best work (and it's even now looking great - years after the orignal release!)

Aerosoft was updating scenery after Justsim jumped in with German and Spain airports. Before they were not interested in updating scenerys.

 

 

[TopGun33 124]

1 hour ago, ZKOKQ said:

I'm lost in translation. Does umell181 mean AS is better and JS is word not allowed ?

I thought it was the other way around ?

I understood that JS was better than Aerosoft, and that the Aerosoft port to P3D4 was light, using materials from the FS9 time.

[ZKOKQ 984]

14 minutes ago, TopGun33 said:

I understood that JS was better than Aerosoft, and that the Aerosoft port to P3D4 was light, using materials from the FS9 time.

Ahh, ok. You lost me when you said "I will stick with the Aerosft version " lol

[TopGun33 124]

Oh yes sorry about that 😂 I should have been more clear. What I mean is that since there are no major layout makeovers, I'll stick with the AS version until the JS version is on sale later on. I am keeping my budget for something else so far.

[F737MAX 5,509]

1 hour ago, Boeing or not going said:

like FlyTampa ignoring Dubai

Except that they're not...

Barcelona and Anchorage aside, I'm not a fan of Sim-Wings' sceneries. They look very dated in comparison to anything that has been released in the past 2 years.

Digital Designs are a good developer (see their GCTS, EGGP and LOWS airports) and people have been complimenting the collaboration with JustSim for Brussels.
Therefore, if you don't already have LEPA, the JustSim & Digital Designs version would be the one to go for.

 

[ComSimPilot 623]

I am a really big fan of Digital Design, have all their sceneries. Justsim is good enough but not Digital Design level. Now, this cooperation is a mix I guess. What I like in the pictures is certainly their ground textures and markings. What I don't like - and this is a characteristic of JustSim sceneries - is their bland - uniform terminal textures. They don't have realistic texturing/weathering, looking like carton boxes. I would disagree that the SimWings version is outdated, somehow the color balance in SimWings seem more natural to me. Justsim sceneries have all a monotonous color tone that I dont like. Generally I am very happy with SimWings sceneries. Digital Design is above SimWings and JustSim in my opinion in terms of overall quality, modeling, texturing. Their latest EDDP for example is just perfect. However this cooperation for LEPA seems to me that most of the modeling is done by JustSim, looking at these terminal models. If I had to choose I'd go with the new JS/DD one, just for the better ground textures and use of P3Dv4 materials. But  I don't think its a day/night comparison as others imply. I think the SimWings version still holds well and in terms of color balance I find it much better.

Edited May 18, 2019 by Daedalus

[virtualstuff 750]

Well if you have been there in real life unfortunately Justsim is just off 😉 not accurate but more an artist impression which looks great, but for me personal I will keep the AS one...

Edited May 18, 2019 by awf

[Urmel81 189]

33 minutes ago, Daedalus said:

I am a really big fan of Digital Design, have all their sceneries. Justsim is good enough but not Digital Design level. Now, this cooperation is a mix I guess. What I like in the pictures is certainly their ground textures and markings. What I don't like - and this is a characteristic of JustSim sceneries - is their bland - uniform terminal textures. They don't have realistic texturing/weathering, looking like carton boxes. I would disagree that the SimWings version is outdated, somehow the color balance in SimWings seem more natural to me. Justsim sceneries have all a monotonous color tone that I dont like. Generally I am very happy with SimWings sceneries. Digital Design is above SimWings and JustSim in my opinion in terms of overall quality, modeling, texturing. Their latest EDDP for example is just perfect. However this cooperation for LEPA seems to me that most of the modeling is done by JustSim, looking at these terminal models. If I had to choose I'd go with the new JS/DD one, just for the better ground textures and use of P3Dv4 materials. But  I don't think its a day/night comparison as others imply. I think the SimWings version still holds well and in terms of color balance I find it much better.

Yes, the terminals are ok from Simwings. They are not the best like Flytampa, Flightbeam or Jetstream, but they are ok. But the groundtextures are really outdated in my eyes, really to much brown and blurry for me. Ok, everybody has different eyes. The buildings in the new Justsim / Digital Design Version are looking also better for me. When Justsim had done without Digital Design, I'll never purchase it, it will look ... . But with Digital Design on board it's fantastic. In my case, I'm really happy to get rid of from the simwings version, and I hope they are doeing more spanish airports like Ibiza. I'm still hoping Simwings changes his groundwork, it's looking like FS9. A few weeks ago I've done a flight to Malaga, this airport is not so old like Palma (was developed a few years later), but still has the same ground texture style. When I'll get some experience to to this, I'll try to replace the ground textures with more modern textures for me.

 

[Urmel81 189]

11 minutes ago, awf said:

Well if you have been there in real life Justsim is just off 😉 not accurate but more an artist impression so I will keep the AS one...

You have your own eyes, open some youtube videos and google earth and look which one compares better.

[ComSimPilot 623]

Well, I decided to give it a try given the fact that I have all Digital Design - Justsim/Digital Design sceneries and I am very impressed. I will have to retreat from my previous statement and I now believe it is a much better version than the Sim-wings one. The reason is that uppon close inspection and not looking the screenshots you can see that the ground textures as well as terminal models are amazingly sharp and well modeled. The textures are also very good, especially compared to Sim-wings. The way light reflects on material is also changing with time. What I still think Sim-wings have done better is the jetbridges, which are white as the real ones and they have correct models. JS/DD version has a more grey  jetbridge which I plan to try to replace with a better model using GSX level 2, but its not a deal breaker. The overall quality of the airport is very high and lives up to today's high scenery standards for sure. 

Edited May 19, 2019 by Daedalus

[Urmel81 189]

Purchased it at Day 1! and I liked it from the first view. And yes, when you start first at this airports, you (or maybe only I'm) know, if you like it or not.

Maybe anyone can post the same shots from the Simwings Version to compare.

 

Now, I'm waiting for the SODE Jetways to get this airport complete. The Terminal Windows can be done better at night, that's the only "big" thing I found for the moment.

 

Have Fun

Urmel

[Boeing or not going 578]

19 hours ago, Urmel81 said:

That's wrong!

FlyTampa is updating Dubai at the moment. http://www.flytampa.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=13064

LEPA was developed by Simwings, they are still active and they are still working with Aerosoft. But they are also still using "old FS9 looking" textures. (or in the LEPA case - they don't want to change them). That's their style. And I'm not a fan of this old style, time has changed. The only good looking airport (as I remember now) is still Anchorage, that was their best work (and it's even now looking great - years after the orignal release!)

Aerosoft was updating scenery after Justsim jumped in with German and Spain airports. Before they were not interested in updating scenerys.

 

 

FlyTampa has been updating Dubai for years allegedly. I am talking about the people doing the original scenery. Actual names of people. Not "Simwings" but the actual people on the team doing the old work. Anchorage looks no different from the original release, they added dynamic lights then released the product again for P3D version 4.

Did the team doing Aerosoft Maastrict also leave? Aerosoft released an update that is 5 years old ground layout and said they do not plan to update it to the modern day layout.

The Justsim and Digital Design team used to do Aerosoft stuff or else how could they have similar looking models for the airports Aerosoft used to do. Aerosoft Luxembourg and Aerosoft German Airports Leipzig look close to identical except better texture updates today. I admitted I am not familiar in the development side but asked if some people used to do development for other teams and you did not respond to my question you attacked me, insulted me then made statements about Dubai that everybody has read for years about an update coming some day.

Edited May 19, 2019 by Boeing or not going

[Boeing or not going 578]

17 hours ago, F737NG said:

Except that they're not...

Barcelona and Anchorage aside, I'm not a fan of Sim-Wings' sceneries. They look very dated in comparison to anything that has been released in the past 2 years.

Digital Designs are a good developer (see their GCTS, EGGP and LOWS airports) and people have been complimenting the collaboration with JustSim for Brussels.
Therefore, if you don't already have LEPA, the JustSim & Digital Designs version would be the one to go for.

 

Fly Tampa are working on a Dubai update for how many years so far? Is the Level-D 757 coming out first? I asked if the original modeling people had left not if Dubai is eventually coming out again with an update. Anybody can read their claims of development updates.

Edited May 19, 2019 by Boeing or not going

[ZKOKQ 984]

Not sure about all that green grass. Simwings comes with surrounding photo terrain.

[Boeing or not going 578]

1 minute ago, ZKOKQ said:

Not sure about all that green grass. Simwings comes with surrounding photo terrain.

Can you disable? I like the Orbx OpenLC Europe instead of photo textures