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1 minute ago, ZKOKQ said:

And why are we only been told this now ? The product has been out quite some time.

IMHO both SF3D and EF were launched a bit too soon. You can't just assure buyers that your products are fully compatible with other weather engines and after 1 year revise your statement in: Yup....some of the things don't work...

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6 hours ago, GEKtheReaper said:

Forgive my ignorance but how could you possibly tell if ASP4 and SF3D work in perfect harmony? Or how would you know if all the features are used that are present in SF3D?

IMHO (briefly speaking) you only set up a flight and look if you get some clouds and if there's something weird going on (by weird I mean flat clouds, itteration of same textures, coloring, etc.)... You have no clue if the displayed clouds are from one single theme or a combination of all the themes.

If I'm wrong then please forgive me AND correct me! If you know how to test if SF3D "dances the tango" with ASP4, I'm sure the community would appreciate that info.

No problem at all. Good you are replying.

My statement "It works" is ment as "there are no BUGS", which I as a user can recognize, the oviously ones at least and spoken of AS in Combo with REX EF/SF). On a code level it is obviously not possible (for me).

I did not see any compatibillity issues/bugs at all (still my scope here is AS and REX EF/SF). 

I did not mentioned "perfect harmony", whatever this means on a functional/requirement level. I didn´t mention "if all the features are used that are present in SF3D", if using them together.

So your statement, that I am telling that, is not correct. But mayby I did mislead you. Sorry for that.

But feel free to write a requirement down and share it with REX EF/SF and AS. That could probably help them to match the needs and expectations and develop the product in a way "you/we" would like to see it. And don´t forget the Acceptance Criteria 😉

And a remark on that one copied from your post: "You have no clue if the displayed clouds are from one single theme or a combination of all the themes". ->You are assuming that/or speaking briefly on that. If I wanted that to know, I would ask the supplier. Do you know? And if not, why didn´t you ask before writing here? If yes, why don´t you share it here? Or did you? Then I missed it. 

The manual isn´t even clear about it: It says it would swap textures automaticly and inject them realtime in your sim. It doesn´t state, that it would display clouds from one single theme or a combination of all. 

So I did not have any further expectations on this functionallity. And as the users I reacted to were speaking about "a working product", I made clear they work. I did not state that they would meet your expectations. 😉

What I did read, allthough in between the lines, in the comment from ZKOKQ (....."It appears that SF does not. Not fully anyway") that there is an assumption that there are compatibillity issues between REX SF/EF/AS?). 

I think that a lot of common sense isn´t given due the fact that users, at least a lot of them, aren´t able to communicate clear requirements, BUT think they are able to communicate what works and what not. Mostly even without reading the appropiate forum (REX and AS in this case) or even asking the developper from REX and AS if their expectations will match. I am talking about expectations, mostly unspoken ones. It is not easy for a developper to match them on a first delivery for such a big community.

So, I did just wanted to lead this in another direction.

 

Cheers Marcus

 

 

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5 hours ago, GEKtheReaper said:

IMHO both SF3D and EF were launched a bit too soon. You can't just assure buyers that your products are fully compatible with other weather engines and after 1 year revise your statement in: Yup....some of the things don't work...

This one I share with you. Not for the combination of REX and AS, but for assuming that it will work on top of other shader tools like PTA and TS (which it didn´t flawless).

But lets be fair. Do we really assume that REX didn´t test it or ignored bugs and decided to go in production with REX EF? That wouldn´t be fair in my eyes. Due the fact, that development on different plattforms, with a lot of addons and a massive SDK, doesn´t surprise me that there will be some problems. Not nice, but normal in my opinion. 

What is worth talking about is, that due the fact there is a community reacting and "shouting" they set up a small team and supporting us in a way others, biggers, could learn from. They react and they listen. This kind of interaction is needed to meet our/your expectations. Or?

Cheers Marcus

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Dear Marcus ( @mpo910 ),

 

this thread is clearly about different SW working together AND FULLY functional.

Let's consider SW A as a weather engine and SW B as cloud textures and both SW A and B having a sum of x features. SW B get's released after SW A and is advertised that it can be fully used with SW A.

After a while (1 year of users reporting issues) the DEV of SW B jumps in again telling us the contrary of what has been advertised: SW B does not use all of it's X features but only X-Y when combined with SW A 😲. And please understand that this is a statement comming from the developer!

Then you jump in and tell the OP that you are a beta tester and SW B works without issues in combo with SW A! Your statement reads that SW B is 100% compatible with SW A.

So I wanted to jump in and correct you because IMHO you can't tell users how well a combo works without knowing or testing all of the X features. It might have been that SW B was working only in a extend of 10% of what it could do, but those 10% were looking good and had no issues ;).

 

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Mountain out of molehills. 

Love ASP4 with SF and not seen anything that puts me off the combo. Been using it for over a year and it still looks better than anything else I've used/tried. Until I use/try something better I will say with it, thanks.

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1 hour ago, GEKtheReaper said:

Dear Marcus ( @mpo910 ),

 

this thread is clearly about different SW working together AND FULLY functional.

Let's consider SW A as a weather engine and SW B as cloud textures and both SW A and B having a sum of x features. SW B get's released after SW A and is advertised that it can be fully used with SW A.

After a while (1 year of users reporting issues) the DEV of SW B jumps in again telling us the contrary of what has been advertised: SW B does not use all of it's X features but only X-Y when combined with SW A 😲. And please understand that this is a statement comming from the developer!

Then you jump in and tell the OP that you are a beta tester and SW B works without issues in combo with SW A! Your statement reads that SW B is 100% compatible with SW A.

So I wanted to jump in and correct you because IMHO you can't tell users how well a combo works without knowing or testing all of the X features. It might have been that SW B was working only in a extend of 10% of what it could do, but those 10% were looking good and had no issues ;).

 

I rhink I made my statement clear. What you make of it it is up to you. It doesnt help me. Cheers Marcus

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22 minutes ago, Nyxx said:

Mountain out of molehills. 

Love ASP4 with SF and not seen anything that puts me off the combo. Been using it for over a year and it still looks better than anything else I've used/tried. Until I use/try something better I will say with it, thanks.

Thanks. Me too. All good. Cheers Marcus

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4 hours ago, mpo910 said:

I rhink I made my statement clear. What you make of it it is up to you. It doesnt help me. Cheers Marcus

Sorry Marcus but you seam way to biased to understand what I'm trying to achieve here.

I'm almost certain that you skipped the post at the bottom of page one within this verry thread where I also mention that I myself use ASP4 with SF3D in combo and that I did not encounter any problems n'or flat clouds.

But I'm also aware that there is some sort of issue aknowledged by the DEV himself and I'm not willing to keep that information away from those users asking about it.

I've been fair in sharing positive and negative informations and leaving the decision up to the OP.

I'm sure that REX will do anything that they can to overcome those issues. Theyr support is great and they indeed follow each single report.

Nevertheless, there is some sort of small incompatibility in the current release which you might encounter or not.

PS: Let's not clutter this thread more than necessary. PM me if you feel that I insulted you in any kind.

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On 6/12/2019 at 2:13 PM, skysurfer said:

Did REX make that statement? 

With SF, yes they did. See link in my previous post nthis thread. Read last few posts in it.

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17 hours ago, mpo910 said:

It works. Without issues. I am beta testing the new builds and enjoy using ef sf and as together. Sf weather off, as as wearher engine. Regards Marcus

Did you not read the thread in the Rex forums I linked and the msg from Reed near the end? SF is not FULLY compatible with ASP4. Cloud structure are incorrect at times, hence the flat clouds.

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15 hours ago, JoeFackel said:

I don't use SF weather engine but ASP4+EF and have the rainshafts, the CB's up to 75000ft, the nice clouds and all the other bells and whistles.

Would be interesting from where this BS comes about AS not working with SF ...

From the Rex developer himself. If you took a minute to click on the link I provided in my first post on this thread you would have seen that.

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1 minute ago, B777ER said:

Did you not read the thread in the Rex forums I linked and the msg from Reed near the end? SF is not FULLY compatible with ASP4. Cloud structure are incorrect at times, hence the flat clouds.

Yer at times, I tried SF weather engine last night and had a lot of "flat clouds" same scene with ASP4 and SF= stunning.

 

 

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7 hours ago, GEKtheReaper said:

Sorry Marcus but you seam way to biased to understand what I'm trying to achieve here.

I'm almost certain that you skipped the post at the bottom of page one within this verry thread where I also mention that I myself use ASP4 with SF3D in combo and that I did not encounter any problems n'or flat clouds.

But I'm also aware that there is some sort of issue aknowledged by the DEV himself and I'm not willing to keep that information away from those users asking about it.

I've been fair in sharing positive and negative informations and leaving the decision up to the OP.

I'm sure that REX will do anything that they can to overcome those issues. Theyr support is great and they indeed follow each single report.

Nevertheless, there is some sort of small incompatibility in the current release which you might encounter or not.

PS: Let's not clutter this thread more than necessary. PM me if you feel that I insulted you in any kind.

Im fine. No harm. :-). Cheers Marcus

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@Nyxx darn.....with SF engine? Have you reported this on REX forum?

I see this issue / finding quite positive...I mean, if those flat clouds are generated with SF weather engine also, then the cure would most likely work for ASP4 also. I will give it a try this weekend.

 

PS: I had trouble quoting you (hope some admins look into this cause it's happening quite often)

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15 hours ago, Nyxx said:

Mountain out of molehills. 

Love ASP4 with SF and not seen anything that puts me off the combo. Been using it for over a year and it still looks better than anything else I've used/tried. Until I use/try something better I will say with it, thanks.

Agree, run AS SF EF did a fast test have overcast just know at my home airport live 5nm from threshold rwy 34.

first a run AS as weather source let it settle down get out and look at the real clouds did the same with SF as weather source.

Iam prefer AS as before much more real , wy i dont know it locked as it was ouside the door then if one looks better for the eye i dont care, 

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