New MS Flight Sim shown at E3 - Updated Information

[Christopher Low 5,331]

I would think that "God rays" are something that ray tracing would be able to handle.

[Dominique_K 10,133]

1 minute ago, Christopher Low said:

I would think that "God rays" are something that ray tracing would be able to handle.

God's rays is fluff. Nice fluff but fluff. Being blinded by the sun is a flying hazard.

[LHookins 3,102]

4 hours ago, domkle said:

when you directly look at the sun you get dazzled and don't see anything around you for a second or two.

This is easy enough to do and I've seen the effect long ago even on a CRT monitor.  I'm seeing similar things in P3Dv4.  It can be done, but how many people want it?  Check the various HDR/bloom settings in the sim.

Hook

[LHookins 3,102]

1 hour ago, F737NG said:

Yep, most people wouldn't "expect it and many would consider it a bug", but here it is anyway:

Perfect!  And not that far off either.  

It's like the poster of the kitten looking in the mirror and it's reflecting a lion.

Hook

[SamYeager 244]

Excluding not having the whole world (Flight) and no full SDK (Flight & FSW) the biggest , most frequent and repeated moans were about the lack of "big jets". I do wonder how much MS have skewed scenery depiction to higher level flying to address this market as opposed to lower level flying and landing approaches outside the bigger US airports.

[Paraffin 2,197]

5 hours ago, Longranger said:

Well, not properly since there are no mo0nitors that can handle such a difference in brightness.

The official Xbox site for the new MSFS says it will support HDR monitors. 😀

But yeah, that's more for a wider dynamic range within normal monitor brightness  levels than blinding the user.

Regarding crepuscular rays, that's already in at least one weather plugin (SkyMaxx Pro) so it's not impossible even without ray tracing, although ray tracing is the "right" way to do it.

The official MSFS page mentions HDR but nothing about ray tracing even though the Scarlett Xbox will supposedly support that. Maybe they're still working on it. The shot in the trailer of the hangar doors opening looks suspiciously like ray traced reflections on the aircraft.

[dilore 126]

 

[Skywatcher 133]

14 hours ago, Paraffin said:

The official Xbox site for the new MSFS says it will support HDR monitors. 😀

But yeah, that's more for a wider dynamic range within normal monitor brightness  levels than blinding the user.

Regarding crepuscular rays, that's already in at least one weather plugin (SkyMaxx Pro) so it's not impossible even without ray tracing, although ray tracing is the "right" way to do it.

The official MSFS page mentions HDR but nothing about ray tracing even though the Scarlett Xbox will supposedly support that. Maybe they're still working on it. The shot in the trailer of the hangar doors opening looks suspiciously like ray traced reflections on the aircraft.

And just on this, there is no such thing as HDR in a computer game or in a monitor. It is simply marketing. Any advances in screen image difference between HDR and non HDR devices are due to hardware improvements. In other words, a newer screen will likely look better than an older screen. HDR has nothing to do with it.

4K is the same, marketing and worthless almost to the entire population of the planet. 4K actually has many negative aspects but it's all beyond the public's understanding so we now get 4K regardless if it is a good or bad thing.

Same with phone cameras. 12 megapixels in a phone camera is crazy and the camera performance suffers but we have to put up with substandard cameras because the public don't understand the technology.

 

 

[PhilipG 17]

7 hours ago, Skywatcher said:

And just on this, there is no such thing as HDR in a computer game or in a monitor. It is simply marketing. Any advances in screen image difference between HDR and non HDR devices are due to hardware improvements. In other words, a newer screen will likely look better than an older screen. HDR has nothing to do with it.

4K is the same, marketing and worthless almost to the entire population of the planet. 4K actually has many negative aspects but it's all beyond the public's understanding so we now get 4K regardless if it is a good or bad thing.

Same with phone cameras. 12 megapixels in a phone camera is crazy and the camera performance suffers but we have to put up with substandard cameras because the public don't understand the technology. 

 

 

Couldn't disagree more.  I just bought a 4K 55" TV for my Xbox One X, and the difference between 4K and 1080P is night and day.  HDR turned on looks amazing.  4K is so much sharper than 1080p.

[Ray Proudfoot 8,919]

8 hours ago, Skywatcher said:

4K is the same, marketing and worthless almost to the entire population of the planet. 4K actually has many negative aspects but it's all beyond the public's understanding so we now get 4K regardless if it is a good or bad thing.

What an odd thing to say. With four times the resolution UHD is clearly superior to 1920*1080. Try looking at any virtual cockpit in both and then tell me you cannot see a huge improvement in clarity with UHD.

Funny you say 4K has many negative aspects but fail to mention a single one. 🙄

[SpiritFlyer 987]

8 hours ago, Skywatcher said:

And just on this, there is no such thing as HDR in a computer game or in a monitor. It is simply marketing. Any advances in screen image difference between HDR and non HDR devices are due to hardware improvements. In other words, a newer screen will likely look better than an older screen. HDR has nothing to do with it.

4K is the same, marketing and worthless almost to the entire population of the planet. 4K actually has many negative aspects but it's all beyond the public's understanding so we now get 4K regardless if it is a good or bad thing.

Same with phone cameras. 12 megapixels in a phone camera is crazy and the camera performance suffers but we have to put up with substandard cameras because the public don't understand the technology.

 

 

Are you kidding or serious? I imagine that is said tongue in cheek! 

I have a 4K 55 inch curved screen for my P3D flight simulation set that high with Track IR and would not want to go back to lesser and earlier times.

Let's look forward, not stare backwards!

Kind regards, 

Spirit Flyer 

Stephen

Edited June 30, 2019 by SpiritFlyer

[eslader 1,774]

4k is kinda pointless for a TV that's mounted to the wall on the other side of the living room. It's pretty hard to see the difference between 4k and regular 1080HD unless your TV is really enormous.

But since we computer nerds tend to have our screens less than 4 feet from our face, there *is* a visible difference and it's well worth going the 4k route.

Especially since you can get a decent 4k tv for the same price, or less, than a good HD monitor.

 

[Ray Proudfoot 8,919]

2 minutes ago, eslader said:

4k is kinda pointless for a TV that's mounted to the wall on the other side of the living room. It's pretty hard to see the difference between 4k and regular 1080HD unless your TV is really enormous.

But since we computer nerds tend to have our screens less than 4 feet from our face, there *is* a visible difference and it's well worth going the 4k route.

Especially since you can get a decent 4k tv for the same price, or less, than a good HD monitor.

 

I can see a reasonably difference between 1080p and UHD on my 55" OLED TV from 8ft. It's nowhere near the difference that 1080p is to SD which might explain why UHD broadcasts are far from becoming standard certainly in the UK.

The problem when choosing between a TV and monitor is UHD monitor sizes stop at 32" but TV's start at 40". I would have gone for a 36" TV or monitor had one been available but I'm certainly very happy with my 32". If choosing a UHD TV it's important it has 4:4:4 chroma for displaying text at maximum definition.

Providing you have a 1080Ti or better UHD is certainly worth changing to.

[eslader 1,774]

Personally I'll probably stick with HD.  I do have a 1080Ti, but I'm getting ready to build a little simpit involving 4-5 displays, and that might make the card sweat a bit if they're 4k's. 😉

 

 

[Ray Proudfoot 8,919]

@eslader, err, yes, stick to HD. I still think you’ll struggle with more than two displays for the scenery. Five seems a bit OTT. Others for moving maps?

Anyway, this is getting off topic. I’ll end there.