Intolerable framerate under I7-8700k and RTX2080

[JerryC 0]

Hi guys,

It has troubled me a lot that for all these years no matter how I upgrade my computer I receive very limited results on P3D. I recently got my PC upgrade to a system built on I7-8700k and RTX2080 with 16GB 3000Mhz RAM, running on liquid cooling. Previously it was on GTX980 and I7-5820k at 3.7ghz where P3D actually runs faster.

While all other games have been working great with this config, I am constantly getting 15fps on any angle on P3DV4.4. An example of such a running scenario includes the list of softwares below:

FSL320

FSDT Charlotte

REX5 Skyforce+ Environmental force, Aerotacto preset

PTA 2.63 with preset by Matt Davies, 12/2018

GSXV2 and active sky

UT traffic live at 60% density

 

 

My P3D settings are affixed. Could anybody help me understand what went wrong? Your help is greatly appreciated!

 

Edited June 23, 2019 by JerryC

[newtie 533]

In Scenery Objects...

All settings to zero with complexity at Normal.

Water resolution to Normal.

Special Effects to middle setting.

Disable HDR.

Uncheck Dynamic Lighting.

Shadow quality to low.

Shadow casting...

        Internal/External cast/receive only; uncheck everything else.

Cloud coverage density to medium.

Disable UT traffic.

What is your frame rate after doing this?

Overclock?

HT on/off?

Mark

 

 

 

[fppilot 4,339]

36 minutes ago, newtie said:

In Scenery Objects...

All settings to zero with complexity at Normal.

Water resolution to Normal.

Special Effects to middle setting.

Disable HDR.

Uncheck Dynamic Lighting.

Shadow quality to low.

Shadow casting...

        Internal/External cast/receive only; uncheck everything else.

Cloud coverage density to medium.

Disable UT traffic.

What is your frame rate after doing this?

Overclock?

HT on/off?

Mark

 

 

 

Then why not just go back to FSX?

I am 5 years into my system and preparing to build new! Obviously aimed at latest P3D. Looking at the hardware and software costs, especially GPU, then looking at the topics discussions here, and focusing on the increments!  Increment of difference in the sim vs increment of cost difference.  When I see issues and responses like this.....  I head to sleep and hope I don't toss and turn all night!

 

 

 

Edited June 24, 2019 by fppilot

[ryanbatc 12,774]

@JerryC what is the 8700K clock speed set to right now?  Overclock that thing to 4.5 Ghz and you should be able to do 25-30 fps with those heavy addons.

Edited June 24, 2019 by ryanbatcund

[Bert Pieke 7,584]

I am flying in P3DV4.5. on a 4770K@4.2 + GTX1070 and rarely drop below 30 fps.  So it can be done..

Whenever I revisit FSX, I notice the autogen popping up in clumps and quickly go back to P3D.. 

[Bob Scott 7,714]

20 minutes ago, fppilot said:

Then why not just go back to FSX?

This is a troubleshooting procedure, not advocacy for running with the entire system completely dumbed-down. 

Dial everything back, demonstrate that things work well that way, then add things back in incrementally to see what's hitting the system so hard.

Speaking of dialing things back, having shadow cast distance at max is also not helping.

 

[HeLord 17]

I got performance boost upgrading P3D to 4.5. so i suggest doing that.

Edited June 24, 2019 by HeLord

[fluffyflops 1,845]

It makes bugger all difference if you have an, 8700k or 6 1080tis in sli the sim is an old dog.  Yes LM have spent hours and hours doing thier best, it's even 64 bit, but it still is and ALWAYS WILL BE  the fsx core engine. No super duper hardware will EVER change that no matter what.  The more the sliders you push the more ai you put it, the more 4k you run , the more cpu hungry addons you choose (fsl) it makes no difference. Its a 20 year old engine, that was dumped  u ms/aces, it's as simple as that, no matter what market spin LM do,  no matter how many affinty masks cpu graphs people can upload, it's STILL a 20 year old dog dressed up and marketed as a new puppy.  Just because you bought a nice new rig doesnt mean you have changed the terribly coded fsx engine.  Try selling that to the Saudis and see what happens. 

Edited June 24, 2019 by fluffyflops

[GEKtheReaper 364]

5 hours ago, fppilot said:

Then why not just go back to FSX?

I am 5 years into my system and preparing to build new! Obviously aimed at latest P3D. Looking at the hardware and software costs, especially GPU, then looking at the topics discussions here, and focusing on the increments!  Increment of difference in the sim vs increment of cost difference.  When I see issues and responses like this.....  I head to sleep and hope I don't toss and turn all night!

@newtie just tried to troubleshoot OP's system. He did not wanted him to fly like that but to find what exactly does impact his system.

There are not few here (and on other forums aswell) who think that by buying the best HW of what the market can offer, you can load your sim with Photoreal sceneries, throw in UHD clouds, 2 or 3 sandwiched shader mods, move all sliders to the right and in the end wondering about 5 FPS... <- NOTE: This is not related to the OP!!!

[Tomaz Drnovsek 440]

Even the computer that runs our simulation of the universe would have issues running P3D in some situations 😉

 

[scottb613 1,186]

Hi Folks,

While I just finished my new (realize not the latest and greatest) i7700k Delid @ 5Ghz with a top end GTX1070ti over the weekend (haven't loaded P3D yet) - my old i2700k @ 4.7Ghz with a top end GTX970 still runs P3D pretty handily at well above 30FPS in all but the most dense scenery situations. My sliders are set more to the high side. It sounds like you have a problem. CPU clock speed is still your biggest bang for the buck - if it's not OC'd - it should be. High AI Traffic volumes would be high on my "suspect" list as well...

Regards,

Scott

[newtie 533]

10 hours ago, w6kd said:

This is a troubleshooting procedure, not advocacy for running with the entire system completely dumbed-down.

Thank you.

Someone who knows what they're doing got it.

[Bob Scott 7,714]

8 hours ago, fluffyflops said:

It makes bugger all difference if you have an, 8700k or 6 1080tis in sli the sim is an old dog.  Yes LM have spent hours and hours doing thier best, it's even 64 bit, but it still is and ALWAYS WILL BE  the fsx core engine. No super duper hardware will EVER change that no matter what.  The more the sliders you push the more ai you put it, the more 4k you run , the more cpu hungry addons you choose (fsl) it makes no difference. Its a 20 year old engine, that was dumped  u ms/aces, it's as simple as that, no matter what market spin LM do,  no matter how many affinty masks cpu graphs people can upload, it's STILL a 20 year old dog dressed up and marketed as a new puppy.  Just because you bought a nice new rig doesnt mean you have changed the terribly coded fsx engine.  Try selling that to the Saudis and see what happens. 

I'm tinkering with FSX again now as I set up a portable rig.  I haven't really touched FSX since P3Dv3 came out in 2015.  Four years of differences between FSX and P3D v4.5 when you put the two up side-by-side paint a pretty stark contrast, especially if you're trying to run a 4K display, or take issue with autogen popping up right in front of you, or want overcast that you can't look right through and see the ground, etc. 

This sarcastic fatalism...suggestions that we're all just wasting our time trying to improve our sim performance, that use of the advanced capabilities modern hardware has to offer is futile and can't make any difference, or that there have been no substantial changes to how the core software operates in 20 years is hyperbolic and, well, dishonest.  Just because it's written with a poor attempt at snarky wit doesn't make it even a tiny bit less dishonest and misleading.

 

[fluffyflops 1,845]

you can dress it up all you want.  Its the same engine. Its looks a bit better than fsx and it doesnt oom. but its the same engine no matter what you say. if you think by putting in a 1080ti and a 8700k and thinking that will solve everything you are deluded 

I wish it was a different scenerio but its not. 

Edited June 24, 2019 by fluffyflops

[RudiJG1 172]

45 minutes ago, fluffyflops said:

you can dress it up all you want.  Its the same engine. Its looks better than fsx and it doesnt oom. but its the same engine no matter what you say.

And I still like it much better than FSX. Back on topic...

I'm running P3D 4.5 on an I7-8700k and RTX2070 with 16GB 3200Mhz RAM; the CPU is overclocked to 4.5 GHz, which was accomplished by simply enabling turbo boost via the BIOS on my MSI Z370 Carbon Gaming Pro MB. A smooth sim experience can be achieved easily...follow some of the good advice in this thread, particularly regarding AI traffic volume, and beware of road traffic altogether.