LCD vs OLED during evening/night/morning flights?

[Thac 29]

Hi,

I have a Pimax 5K+ .... and it kinda sucks. Great FOV - but that is it. The colors and blacklevels are horrendous! During evening/night flights I am sourrounded by this grey soup....and it is really annoying, and I will never "get used to it" or "adapt"

 

So, the problem is that only the O+ and Vive Pro has OLED screens, the rest are LCD (like my Pimax 5K+). The new HP reverb has insane resolution...but is still a LCD. When I think about it I need a OLED display with Samsung O+ anti screendoor filter at reverb resolutions.....don't we all!

 

What are you guys thinking? Would you go for higher resolution LCD or lower resolution OLED?

Edited July 3, 2019 by Thac

[HiFlyer 9,358]

While not reaching Oled black levels, I find my new Rift S very acceptable. (Except for tha' yucky sound!)

[glider1 90]

On 7/3/2019 at 10:41 PM, Thac said:

Hi,

I have a Pimax 5K+ .... and it kinda sucks. Great FOV - but that is it. The colors and blacklevels are horrendous! During evening/night flights I am sourrounded by this grey soup....and it is really annoying, and I will never "get used to it" or "adapt"

 

So, the problem is that only the O+ and Vive Pro has OLED screens, the rest are LCD (like my Pimax 5K+). The new HP reverb has insane resolution...but is still a LCD. When I think about it I need a OLED display with Samsung O+ anti screendoor filter at reverb resolutions.....don't we all!

 

What are you guys thinking? Would you go for higher resolution LCD or lower resolution OLED?

There is a Pimax 5K XR OLED available now. Can you exchange yours for it?

I am seriously considering.

[Thac 29]

7 hours ago, glider1 said:

There is a Pimax 5K XR OLED available now. Can you exchange yours for it?

I am seriously considering.

The Pimax XR OLED has the worst SDE of all HMD's - not recommended. Actually, I don't recommend Pimax at all. The ONLY nice thing about the Pimax is the FOV. Don't buy a Pimax. 

It seems we need to choose between crisp resolution or crisp colors/black level. The only three HMD's with pure blacks are the OLED HMD's. And in my world those are O+, Vive and Vive Pro (and for me, I think I would prefer the O+ for the A-SDE and price). The the new LCD HMD's (Valve Index, Rift S and HP Reverb) just don't have pure blacks/colors. And for me THAT is the most important. I love flying in the dusk/night.

I suspect and hope Samsung will soon(TM) release a new version of the O+ with better comfort and higher resolution while still using AMOLED screens with their A-SDE tech 🙂 

Edited July 5, 2019 by Thac

[andreh 125]

With the Rift S only pitch black night flights are a bit bright. Dusk/Dawn is fine.

[glider1 90]

17 hours ago, Thac said:

The Pimax XR OLED has the worst SDE of all HMD's - not recommended. Actually, I don't recommend Pimax at all. The ONLY nice thing about the Pimax is the FOV. Don't buy a Pimax. 

It seems we need to choose between crisp resolution or crisp colors/black level. The only three HMD's with pure blacks are the OLED HMD's. And in my world those are O+, Vive and Vive Pro (and for me, I think I would prefer the O+ for the A-SDE and price). The the new LCD HMD's (Valve Index, Rift S and HP Reverb) just don't have pure blacks/colors. And for me THAT is the most important. I love flying in the dusk/night.

I suspect and hope Samsung will soon(TM) release a new version of the O+ with better comfort and higher resolution while still using AMOLED screens with their A-SDE tech 🙂 

Thanks for the warning on SDE. What was the performance like for you on the Pimax in P3D? Were you able to use the wide FOV without stutters?

[Iceman2 110]

I had a pimax 4k a few years back and enjoyed good close up clarity & no SDE. Then I got the 5K+ and was not satisfied. Noticeable SDE, close up clarity was worse however colours were better along with the clarity in the distance. Night lighting was ok after a few adjustments but the SDE caused lights & stars to look like small blobs.

Ive since purchased the 8k and find it much better and the stars are not like small blobs in the sky. However i see more SDE than I did in the 4k unit.

Im running it at 64hz and find performance is great.

I use normal FOV because with wide I see texture artifacts just in the corner of my right eye. Not sure why.

[glider1 90]

28 minutes ago, Iceman2 said:

I had a pimax 4k a few years back and enjoyed good close up clarity & no SDE. Then I got the 5K+ and was not satisfied. Noticeable SDE, close up clarity was worse however colours were better along with the clarity in the distance. Night lighting was ok after a few adjustments but the SDE caused lights & stars to look like small blobs.

Ive since purchased the 8k and find it much better and the stars are not like small blobs in the sky. However i see more SDE than I did in the 4k unit.

Im running it at 64hz and find performance is great.

I use normal FOV because with wide I see texture artifacts just in the corner of my right eye. Not sure why.

Thanks iceman. How wide is normal then?

I think Pimax cops unfair criticism about SDE because people can't have both no SDE and wide FOV. There will be a tradeoff for more SDE if the FOV is the widest on the market.

Cheers