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Hello,

i am really into replacing my 1080 24" LG as it so small, and thinking about going VR (rift s, HP)? 

really confused which one is better.¬†ūüôĄ

mostly flying PMDG birds, the gauge reading/FMC is really important for me.  i know you can get best immersion with VR, but what about the small details?

how about a nice 55" 4k TV? i know some people here tried and never looked back. i really want to go with VR but really worried about all the side effects ( SDE, fog, controllers, Navigraph)

my rig is 8700 and 1080 runs really good with my sim now.

i would like to hear your opinions,

Thanks .

 

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I was in this same boat almost about a year ago. I went VR and do not regret it. I only fly GA aircraft, but I can lean in and see everything perfect and like a monitor, you can assign a zoom key on a button on your yoke for more "zoom" if you need it. Depending on what you get VR wise, you can pull other Windows into the virtual space to view Navigraph charts / Skyvector or whatever. I use the Samsung Odessy and open SkyVector directly in VR using OVRdrop through Steam. 

It really does vastly improve your flight experience. I did get a bit motion sick in the beginning, but it wears off. You can also use your monitor and turn off VR if you want to. 

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I have both, so my experience:

Love flying low and slow with my old rift, combat with IL2 and exploring universe with Elite Dangerous.

But i need a better resolution (55" 4K) when flying airliners like PMDG, FSLABs, ... Using CDUs, FMCs and small windows are really difficult for me with VR.

 

i haven't tried the HP reverb resolution, so i don't know if with these resolutions you could use airliners!

 

 


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Get the VR. The Rift S has a considerably clearer image than the old CV1. I fly PMDG with the Rift S and I have issues seeing the text on the FMC or PFD. Text that is too small to read without leaning in would probably be too small without doing so in real life too (e.g., tiny markings on standby instruments etc.). I thought it was ok even with the CV1 at higher supersampling rates.

Everything else is okay with the Rift S too, e.g., importing windows for charts. SDE is still there but much better now and you will quickly forget about it anyway the first time you rotate in VR!

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5 hours ago, lidorx7 said:

Hello,

i am really into replacing my 1080 24" LG as it so small, and thinking about going VR (rift s, HP)? 

really confused which one is better.¬†ūüôĄ

mostly flying PMDG birds, the gauge reading/FMC is really important for me.  i know you can get best immersion with VR, but what about the small details?

how about a nice 55" 4k TV? i know some people here tried and never looked back. i really want to go with VR but really worried about all the side effects ( SDE, fog, controllers, Navigraph)

my rig is 8700 and 1080 runs really good with my sim now.

i would like to hear your opinions,

Thanks .

 

Nothing compares to the immersive feeling of presence like VR. What most non VR folks are forgetting is most importantly the depth of stereoscopic 3d you get with VR natively 

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my two cent:

when P3D v4 came out in May 2017, I bought the Oculus Rift. Since May this year, I have its successor, the Rift-S. My average "flight-time" is 3 to 4 hours a week, completely in VR. I have several PMDG and A2A, also Milviz, Aerosoft CRJ, TFDI 717, Leonardo MD82 and FSL A320. I would never go back to flat screen.

Michael

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7 minutes ago, michaelth said:

my two cent:

when P3D v4 came out in May 2017, I bought the Oculus Rift. Since May this year, I have its successor, the Rift-S. My average "flight-time" is 3 to 4 hours a week, completely in VR. I have several PMDG and A2A, also Milviz, Aerosoft CRJ, TFDI 717, Leonardo MD82 and FSL A320. I would never go back to flat screen.

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From using both 4K and VR:

VR

Pros

1.  Immersive 

Cons

1.  Headaches if I use it more than 1 hour (was hoping this would go away after some time but never did)

2.  Eye area gets hot after 30 mins and starts to get uncomfortable and starts to feel "heavy"

3.  High FPS requirements otherwise the motion delay is very distracting and nauseating (turn down graphics to get higher FPS)

4.  Cost, anywhere from $400 to $1700

5.  Pimax 5K plus isn't really 5K nor 4K ($800 just for the headset) 

6.  Have to operate all my existing controllers by "feel" and can't use any of my GoFlight gear, iPad (FMC), and no looking at my weather radar and flight tracker monitors being run on other PC

7.  Getting good AA is still a problem

8.  Operating commercial type aircraft knobs, switches, etc. is still very quirky

4K

Pros

1.  Image quality is excellent

2.  Less costly $270 - $800 for 55"

3.  Can operate at 30Hz so less demanding on the Sim and allows for higher graphics options

4.  No setup hassle, it just works

Cons

1.  Less immersive

2.  Takes up more desktop real-estate

Some things you might want to consider, 8K is here ... not only with TVs at the affordable price range, but both XBOX and Playstation "next" versions are going to support 8K.  The release of 8K mainstream is driving 4K prices even lower and within 2 years 8K will be the "standard" choice of monitor following the same cheap pricing as 4K's today.   If you have a local BestBuy or electronics store, go checkout Samsung 8K TV's running 8K content.  8K will be ideal for flight simulation and if one hits the right screen size to view distance ratio, the need for AA will be none. 

My 2 cents, 

Cheers, Rob.

 

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I thought about it Going VR but I got a home cockpit with all the bells and whistles and using black curtains to create a shell which blocks out all the distractions. I think if your tight on space and funds VR is the way to go but it doesn't  beat  being in a real cockpit with all the switches and things that you can feel. So for me 4k is better for my situation. If I was doing DCS I think it would be a winner there. Josh

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Hello... I’m looking online at 55 or greater Samsung.  Question does there have to be any special connector to achieve the 30 hz ..ie.  DisplayPort or hdmi... hdmi2, that I should be looking for when researching 

 

thanks 

Steve

 

Ps,

I’ll agree that the immersion factor of vr is very cool.... and with Prepared I can switch back and forth with Vr and a monitor through out flight so I don’t over do Vr... funny thing is my eyesight is much clearer after a hour so flight in Vr... go figure

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1 minute ago, sluihn said:

 Question does there have to be any special connector to achieve the 30 hz ..ie.  DisplayPort or hdmi... hdmi2,

HDMI 2.1 is more likely to be paired with a Smart TV (not monitor) that operates at 30Hz.  30 FPS is a more tradition movie spec for distribution hence why TV's are often more likely to support 30Hz operation.

Most Samsung TV's will operate at 30hz.

Agree, VR is great for GA flight.

Cheers, Rob.  

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1 hour ago, sluihn said:

funny thing is my eyesight is much clearer after a hour so flight in Vr... go figure

That's probably because vr is focused to infinity (or to your emmetropic distance, if you use corrective lenses in your vr). So your eyes are "relaxed" while in vr.  Close view distances typical of modern life are instead conducive to temporary and permanent myopia.


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I've run a 55 inch 4K for about 3 years and to be quite honest, on each flight I wish I had gone with between a 40" and 43".  55'' is just too large, forcing one to look WAYYYY up from time to time and you end up missing some of the in-sim messages that occur from time to time.  I sit about 24 inches back from the monitor, so if you could be further back it would help, but you'd end up straining your eyes eventually at a further distance (younger people won't notice the damage this causes until they are older, so like advice for you back when lifting heavy objects... you'll pay for it when you get older if you disregard that type of advice.

I recommend nothing larger than 43", and I would probably go with a 40" if I had it to do all over again.

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Reverse for me, went from 40" to 65" and I love it. Sit about 40 inches from the screen. Of course, if one has eye problems that may or may not be an optimal solution but works great for me, big screens are the best!

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11 hours ago, andreh said:

I fly PMDG with the Rift S and I have issues seeing the text on the FMC or PFD. Text that is too small to read without leaning in would probably be too small without doing so in real life too (e.g., tiny markings on standby instruments etc.).

No, in the real aircraft it is quite easy to read text across the flight deck. The lines are thick, letters spaced well.  I have not been impressed with VR when it comes to these airliners at all.  You should be able to read it all relaxed without putting your face up near anything.  However, I've flown Helos and the Pilatus Porter with my Rift S and thought it was a blast.

My advice to you is if you really want to focus on the larger aircraft go with a large monitor, I honestly think a 40-43" 4K is more than enough.  If you have left over money after that investing in the Oculus S is worth it for numerous other reasons.


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