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Hi, I want to get Xp11 very much, but I don't know whether I should get it, or wait for Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 which looks amazing. I really want to get xplane, but what do you guys think?

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8 minutes ago, mcmini said:

Hi, I want to get Xp11 very much, but I don't know whether I should get it, or wait for Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 which looks amazing. I really want to get xplane, but what do you guys think?

It depends on how badly you want to fly. There's no telling when MSFS2020 will be released. XP11 is here now.

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Just now, mwilk said:

It depends on how badly you want to fly. There's no telling when MSFS2020 will be released. XP11 is here now.

That really makes me want to get xplane. I just think that the MSFS looks really nice...

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Maybe wait for the next Steam sale so you can get it at a lower price. Differently from P3D, you can improve a lot XP for free (or almost). MFS could be more than a year away.

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I switched to XP from P3D a couple of months ago and haven't bought a thing, except active sky and xvision.  So much freeware and enjoyment.  While it's far from perfect, I think it's worth getting now while we all wait with baited breath for MSFS2020.  Who knows, maybe Xplane will speed up its pace of development now that there's competition in the air- so win-win for all of us. 

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I never thought I would say this but just switched to X-Plane 11 from P3D for the performance and the amount of terrific freeware (especially the Zibo 737). I've added a few payware such as ASXP, X-Vision, X-Crafts ERJ-145, and a few scenery areas. Overall, I am very pleased with XP11 and MSFS20 is a long way off. 

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Don't forget that Flight looked really good, and the hype was huge.  Turned out to be disappointing and didn't last long.  Flightsim world looked incredible, and didn't even make it to release. 

Do what many others have done.  Have more than one flight sim and enjoy the benefits of all of them.  No laws or rules against it.

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Xplane11 is a solid buy, it has never let me down.  I also have P3DV4 and just recently added AeroflyFS2, because I like the latter's fast loading time, superior performance to Xplane11 and P3DV4, and fair depth in their default aircraft.  Aerofly's only failings--you cannot save startup scenarios, it is hard to locate scenery on a place other than Onedrive, you have to hack a file and then the file does not always remember the hack because Aerofly always updates it at the start of a sim session.  AeroflyFS2 also has limited ground lighting, limited airports, and no AI or cloud shadows.

So for me, when push comes to shove, Xplane11 is the best compromise, it has great freeware support, inexpensive payware add-on aircraft support, and if you have an SSD or large hard drive, great support for OrthoXP photo scenery, which is easy to make, other than the time watching it creating all those photo textures.  I have a great but modest suite of Xplane11 add-on aircraft, mainly the Microlights I prefer to fly.  I love Xplane11's support of Autogen overlays over OrthoXP scenery.  Other positives include:

~Great Flight models, free and payware aircraft add-ons

~Detailed VC's

~RealityXP support

~Better default mesh

~Better default landclass

~Good atmospheric rendering

~And, with some free LUA scripts, very realistic cloud shadows (the default shadows don't quite seem dark enough)

It's minuses...

~No Seasonal variation

~Dark contrails on most high flying jets, still not fixed

~Some initial stutters when starting up certain rotorcraft in their 11.35 release

~No Vulkan support, which it sorely needs, as does P3D

~Some challenges with controllers, I have only had good performance with Logitech, I tried Saitek and wasted my money

But my gripes are minor to me, for me it is still the best study level sim out there, especially in its recreation of Microlight and Ultralight flying, which is what I fly in real life..

John

 

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Posted (edited)

A stupid question. 

no one has or seen the actual MFS no one can tell you. that 1 minute video don't tell you anything.

I would go with XP11 

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1 hour ago, HumptyDumpty said:

A stupid question. 

no one has or seen the actual MFS no one can tell you. that 1 minute video don't tell you anything.

I would go with XP11 

Ok, that's a wrap, getting XP. Awesome.

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10 hours ago, mcmini said:

Hi, I want to get Xp11 very much, but I don't know whether I should get it, or wait for Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 which looks amazing. I really want to get xplane, but what do you guys think?

I did this. Bought XP11 on sale. Then added some freeware add ons like Ortho scenery. Then I could fly around my home town in scenery that didn't cost anything and which is better than what I have with FSXSE + GEX + UTX. I doubt that MS2020 is going to replace everything I get XP11 FXSSE anytime soon after release. The biggest ??? for MS2020 is what the system requirements are going to be. I doubt my system will be sufficient.

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3 hours ago, mcmini said:

Ok, that's a wrap, getting XP. Awesome.

Make sure you install the free!!!!! Zibo 737-800 - works great in VR too.  https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/forums/forum/384-zibo-b738-800-modified/

https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/forums/topic/141756-video-tutorials/

 

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Hi

 

I have both P3Dv4 and XP11 and I have to admit my flying is almost always in XP11. There are pros and cons (as always) in both sims but I find the quality of the scenery in XP11 is far superior, but with the following caveats 1) I like to flow slow and low  2) I tend to fly mainly in the UK and use ORBX products 3) I'm not bothered by the lack of seasons.

If it's a direct choice between XP11 now or wait for FS2020, then XP11 wins hands down in my opinion. After all, if FS2020 proves to be as wonderful as we may hope for, then you could buy that  when it appears and have the benefit of both sims !!

Pete

 

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I use flight sims to stay in practice when I can't fly the real Cessna 172.  X Plane is far more realistic, more 'fluid', in the replication of the handling characteristics of the C172 than Microsoft Flightsim ever was. MS was like a cartoon in comparison.  Maybe this new offering will have improved, but I wouldn't hang around for it. Add on a VR set and physical yoke & rudder pedals to XP 11 , you're well away............

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XP it's a certainty the upcoming MSFS is a doubt on what is going to be, get XP, its a wordeful simulator and you wont regret.

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On 8/14/2019 at 2:06 PM, petehowell57 said:

Hi

 

I have both P3Dv4 and XP11 and I have to admit my flying is almost always in XP11. There are pros and cons (as always) in both sims but I find the quality of the scenery in XP11 is far superior, but with the following caveats 1) I like to flow slow and low  2) I tend to fly mainly in the UK and use ORBX products 3) I'm not bothered by the lack of seasons.

If it's a direct choice between XP11 now or wait for FS2020, then XP11 wins hands down in my opinion. After all, if FS2020 proves to be as wonderful as we may hope for, then you could buy that  when it appears and have the benefit of both sims !!

Pete

 

I think and it's only a presumption on my part but MSFS2020 will be rented i.e. subscription based so that is also something yourself or anyone else considering MSFS2020 at this juncture instead of X-Plane should plan for. I think it's best to wait and see exactly how they will be offering this new sim.

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Keep in mind X-box and the new MSFS will be at least, perhaps more, kissing cousins.  Microsoft's hole cards are still face down.

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There's always something new and shiny just around the corner. Who knows what LM and Laminar Research will have announced by the time FS2020 comes out...Or what new companies might have entered the scene. Besides very little is known about FS2020. The trailer and screenshots actually show very little of substance, and non-cherrypicked areas might look much worse.

I've been a long time P3D user (FSX before that), but X-Plane with OrbX TE and a few basic addons and tweaks is really something special in terms of visuals, performance and immersion.

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On 8/14/2019 at 2:38 AM, mcmini said:

Ok, that's a wrap, getting XP. Awesome.

Good choice. You can't go wrong, especially if you get XP on sale. I suspect MFS is going to be an outstanding product, but XP is mature and does a lot of things exceedingly well.

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Well, 

as much as it is nice to know FS 2020 will become available, in 2020... I think the question is - until then, if P3D is not an option, or other solution like AEFS2, then why wait for such a long time when we can enjoy what XP11 already offers ?

We already have good helicopters for XP11, some really interesting GA and airliners, etc... 

XP11 is also a lot cheaper to maintain than FSX or P3D in various aspects including, but not only, scenery.

If, for instance, you're interested in learning GPS in GA, you can use the default GNS 430 / 530 which is a very nice rendition of the real Garmin units --> check this manual <-- and it's a LOT cheaper to maintain up-2-date using for instance Navigraph then either RealityXP or Mindstar offers for XP/P3D /FSX...

Honestly, XP11 is the way to go, at least for now and specially if you already own P3D and can use that one for specific aircraft add-ons.

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On 8/13/2019 at 11:41 PM, mcmini said:

Hi, I want to get Xp11 very much, but I don't know whether I should get it, or wait for Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 which looks amazing. I really want to get xplane, but what do you guys think?

Well have both P3Dv4.x  and Xplane 11 the latter since TBM-900 and ASXP and TE series and P2ATC changed my flight time more in XP nowadays.

Never liked the default stuff in both...

As for MS2020 I will wait and see and now enjoy the virtual skies in both...

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Subscriptions look cheap untill you realize you having 15 of them and money is disappearing out of  your acct, and than where will the developers go, FSx will surely finally be put to rest, i guess we wait and see, especially for those who have slow internet connections??

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On 8/23/2019 at 8:13 AM, mjrhealth said:

Subscriptions look cheap untill you realize you having 15 of them and money is disappearing out of  your acct, and than where will the developers go

Indeed, I noticed this the other day on just how much cash I'm haemorrhaging on subscriptions bothh personally and for my business. e.g. P3D developer, Netflix, Amazon, Spotify, PilotEdge, Photoshop, Substance Painter, SkyDaemon, News sites, IDE subscription, texture site subscriptions etc.... it all adds up very quickly and at some point something has got to give.  It's only going to get worse as more and more products become cloud-based.

How long is it going to be before we have to pay monthly for a weather-based service in the sim?

The xbox deal for Microsoft's games is a good one, but only if you are actually interested in any of their other games. At least it's been confirmed that their sim will work offline and degrade to landclass, but would you really want to fly over default landclass when everyone else has that nice shiny scenery 😛. What happens when the sim is no longer profitable for Microsoft, will it just stop working? They don't exactly have a great track-record in the past.

Anyway, at least for X-Plane, your small investment will go a long way. X-Plane releases last years and often have several major updates for free. We only have an inkling of what may be in X-Plane 12 but I'm sure they've taken notice of the competition now and they're absolutely not sitting still. There are also many of us who don't like or want to use Windows 10 and X-Plane also is multi-platform which is a huge plus to me.

 

 

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