AIG plane behavior question

[speedyTC 195]

5 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

 LM have had plenty of time to fix this and the other annoying issues with Ai. Like stopping on a sixpence after landing. Absolutely ridiculous these problems still exist when they released v1.4 back in August 2012. 😠 Seven years and still the same problems.

Maybe misbehaving AI traffic is not exactly a top priority on LM's list?

[Christopher Low 5,353]

If they are as committed to the flightsim community as some people say they are, then it should be.

[SteveW 1,792]

If I make an airport with one way on and off the runway, fill the sky and parking. Sooner or later one coming off meets one coming on. I've not seen it where they intersect.

The AI is not built to circumvent these problems easily so it must be handled correctly.

The key here is not to expect a knife to do the job of a machete.

The AI traffic and airport taxiways should be experimented with and traffic schedules injected that can be coped with.

Improvements would be handy.

Edited September 6, 2019 by SteveW

[SteveW 1,792]

This finger pointing, they are to blame, seems ungrateful. They are not to be blamed for providing something that we, at least have something for use. If it's not been upgraded to some imagined level by now then we have to wait for it to come. We can decide not to purchase if it's no better next time.

Edited September 6, 2019 by SteveW

[SteveW 1,792]

Maybe something better is required. Here's ROBOPilot:

[Ray Proudfoot 8,954]

21 hours ago, F737NG said:

I'm going to keep banging the drum for this until there's a fix / another solution:
https://library.avsim.net/search.php?SearchTerm=aicontroller14b.zip&CatID=root&Go=Search

Works well at AI separation, both on approach and during taxiing.

Does take some time to get up and running as I use the SID and STARS function, so I start it before launching P3D.
 

I have it installed and running. Somewhat more complex than I imagined. The only issue I came across are some entries in scenery.cfg have an absolute path which probably isn't necessary as it's not present in the majority which AiM didn't like across a network.

I have it running on a separate PC via SimConnect which allows Ai Monitor to be displayed. A BA777 has just departed 27L at EGLL to UUEE and no Pattern entry was displayed initially. Soon after take-off the Flight Status changed to SID and the BPK7G SID was listed.

No effect on P3D as the data capture is very low apparently but I chose EGLL as it's probably my hardest hit on Ai with over 300 in an 80nm bubble. Too early to have a full picture of what it can do but over time its benefits should become apparent.

Having a PMDG aircraft helps as the wpNavRTE.txt file can be copied into the parent AiC folder and used to provide all the world's jetways.

The authors of both programs are to be congratulated. Thanks for bringing this to our attention @F737NG.

[Bob Scott 7,720]

45 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Having a PMDG aircraft helps as the wpNavRTE.txt file can be copied into the parent AiC folder and used to provide all the world's jetways.

If one has a Navigraph subscription, the PMDG-format navdata can be downloaded and used in AIC regardless of whether they have any PMDG add-ons.

 

[Ray Proudfoot 8,954]

1 hour ago, w6kd said:

If one has a Navigraph subscription, the PMDG-format navdata can be downloaded and used in AIC regardless of whether they have any PMDG add-ons.

Bob, I do have a Navigraph FMS subscription but what is AIC? I’m using Ai Companion - a freebie for monitoring AIG Ai - but I suspect you mean something else.

And how is this data loaded?

[Bob Scott 7,720]

AIC = AI Controller...is this not what we're talking about here? 

You mentioned that having a PMDG acft allows you to copy wpNavRTE.txt into AIC and use it...my point is that file is a standard part of the PMDG-format Navigraph navdata updates.

 

[Ray Proudfoot 8,954]

7 minutes ago, w6kd said:

AIC = AI Controller...is this not what we're talking about here? 

You mentioned that having a PMDG acft allows you to copy wpNavRTE.txt into AIC and use it...my point is that file is a standard part of the PMDG-format Navigraph navdata updates.

 

Yes, it just shares the same TLA as Ai Companion. It's been a tiring day.

AIC is not in the list of supported programs in Navigraph FMS Data Manager so the only way it can be updated is a manual copy each month. Unless you know of a different method?

[Bob Scott 7,720]

2 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

AIC is not in the list of supported programs in Navigraph FMS Data Manager so the only way it can be updated is a manual copy each month. Unless you know of a different method?

No, but writing a quick batch file to do the copy and putting a shortcut to that on the desktop right next to the Navigraph FMS Manager would make it pretty simple.  I prefer to automate tasks I know I'm going to repeat.

 

[Kilo60 660]

22 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

I have had My Traffic 6 and now UT Live. and use PF3. I have never seen AI run into each other, and when I am taxiing, AI is stopped until I pass the intersection , and then continues taxiing. 

Ditto!

 

No complaints with UTL at all!!!

[Ray Proudfoot 8,954]

30 minutes ago, w6kd said:

No, but writing a quick batch file to do the copy and putting a shortcut to that on the desktop right next to the Navigraph FMS Manager would make it pretty simple.  I prefer to automate tasks I know I'm going to repeat.

I already have a few batch files to copy flight plans and various other files so I'll just include that one. It will probably get copied multiple times per month but better to do that than have yet another batch file.

[Ray Proudfoot 8,954]

On 9/5/2019 at 5:47 PM, F737NG said:

I'm going to keep banging the drum for this until there's a fix / another solution:
https://library.avsim.net/search.php?SearchTerm=aicontroller14b.zip&CatID=root&Go=Search

Works well at AI separation, both on approach and during taxiing.

Does take some time to get up and running as I use the SID and STARS function, so I start it before launching P3D.
 

I've spent a lot of time today trying to understand how the SID/STAR process works. I have been using the sample files that came with the program but they don't cover some areas I fly in.

So I ran the SID/STAR Converter process which takes around 3 hours to complete. At the end of it I had a parent folder named XX and a sub-folder for every country in the sim. Within each country sub-folder there were multiple TXT files for each SID and STAR.

I pointed AiMonitor to that top folder - XX - expecting it to be able to read the txt files two folders down. But it couldn't.

The supplied files also have a top level but crucially have a second level sub-folder with the name of the ICAO. Within that are the txt files. That seems to be the only way the program can read the data.

Have you managed to generate your own files to match the structure of the sample ones? I'm struggling.

[F737MAX 5,599]

3 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Have you managed to generate your own files to match the structure of the sample ones? I'm struggling.

It's not intuitive, tbf.

- Go to the SIDSTAR Converter folder in your installed AIControllerV14B folder to find the Readme.pdf.

- Run the SIDSTAR Converter program.
Input Path is [Your drive]\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v4\PMDG\SIDSTARS
Output Path is wherever you want the data to be created.
Amend the next 4 rows of data fields as desired.
Leave the 3 check boxes empty.
AiConv.exe Path is [...]\AIController\AIControllerV14B.
Runway.exe Path is your main P3D folder location.
Choose 'Enable All' from the four choices.
Press the 'Convert' button above and wait.

- Here's where it gets tedious...
In the program AIMonitor.exe, in Settings, select the 4th option on the list 'SIDS, STARS, Approaches and Finals (Nav Data required)'.
Next press the 'Add Path' button to choose the folder location of the first country that you wish to add.
Repeat for all of the countries that you want to include 'Arrival Paths' (STARS) for in your sim.
Ensure the checkbox is selected for all of them (press 'Select All' button if they are not), then finally when ready, press the 'Apply button.

The same process needs to occur for the 'SID Paths' in the box underneath.

- Finally, in Settings, choose 'Options', 'General Options', choose an AI holding/Go-around mode per the graph on the top left and add the value to the box above, e.g. 1 for Holding Mode 1 (Holding at STAR Entry WP). 
AI Custom Hold should be '0'
Ensure that 6th box down on right side of the same options window is 'AI STAR selection mode' has '1' in the box.

The end. [Phew]😓