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Win-10 9/11/2019 Update Problem

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Without wading thru the other replies, I'd say about seven months ago or so, every Windows update has wiped my latest Nvidia driver update.  After yesterday's upgrade (and I was still groggy from a weekend visit to the hospital for a minor brain clot), my Nvidia driver was wiped, my screen resolution was, as usual dropped to the next lowest resolution after the update.

On restart I received a message that I was missing vender.dll.  I googled the issue, some websites offered a download of it but I do not willy nilly download a dll from a website I do not trust, since within it could be some virus exploit caused by someone who is forcing these windows updates to begin with, which are happening more often.

So when I lose my screen resolution, I always make sure I have a backup of my last GeForce Experience executable.  So I have had to follow these steps since windows update first caused these issues:

1: Go to Display properties, remove the video driver that windows has been substituting in my most current driver's stead.  My system goes blank, pauses for some minutes, then restarts, with its former resolution but with the missing vender.dll message.

2. I try a sim, usually Aerofly FS2 because it loads quite fast.  I always get a driver error message, but Aerofly starts anyway, I just use this as quick confirmation that the Windows update has hosed my video driver.

3.  I try to launch the last GeForce executable again, if it launches, I am in fair shape, if it cannot because of a file lock issue, then I go to the GeForce Experience website or program, if still on my system, and grab their most current driver.

That is my system as it stands today, everything runs well, I always do a run of all my sims and between ground, sea, air and space sims, I have quite a few.  So once I have a stable system, I have a stable system

I have written Microsoft on these issues, my relationship with them goes way back to when I met Bill Gates and had a followup PC group meeting I chaired and Steve Ballmer showed up.  Microsoft's current folks do not know Joseph, so to speak because I haven't communicated to anyone with Microsoft since the FS9/FSX betas.

But someone with lower friends in higher places than I have needs to express to Microsoft that their latest updates are causing issues, which vary depend on how we have configured our systems, which drivers we use and so on.  Reason I say this is my original Nvidia driver came from MSI, not from the GEForce experience site.  I switched to GEForce experience so I could have the free game video capture my multimedia system lacked, so I think this is why this issue has slowly cropped up for some of us, if our drivers differ from the original driver we had if our systems were store bought, or we loaded a driver from another source than what we have today.

So I have cited the issue and how I skirt it, but it is not a miracle cure because all of our systems very in some way or another, because we baseline our own systems based on the programs we use on them.

John

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That‘s a reason, why I don‘t like the Windows Updates. Isn‘t there a possibility to turn them completely off?

Kind Regards

Patrick

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29 minutes ago, PatC said:

That‘s a reason, why I don‘t like the Windows Updates. Isn‘t there a possibility to turn them completely off?

Kind Regards

Patrick

O&O "Shutup 10"

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35 minutes ago, JoeFackel said:

O&O "Shutup 10"

This is a good program, I will tell you why, you must be a Nostradamus for us, a badly needed one for me.  I believe the conflict I have had with Windows update is a program from ASUS called GPU Tweak II.  It is a good program, but it seems to conflict with any update to certain Windows settings that any update, like this slick program you recommended, might cause.  I ran the program, accepted only the recommended settings, but on restart once again, my latest GEForce experience driver was blown away.  I thought "That's odd--that only has happened when Windows update has run".

So instead of panicking, first I tried to install the latest driver from Geforce experience, since my screen resolution reverted back to the next lowest resolution my card and monitor support.  GeForce experience said I had the latest driver installed, but my screen res told me otherwise.

So I went to device manager, and deleted my Nvidia "device" and the driver software.  My computer shut down, but did not restart.

I do not get alarmed by that because I have write back caching disabled on my boot drive, just in case a file gets stuck in limbo and cannot be restored.  It is a dangerous option and many systems of friends that have gotten hosed and had to be restored from a system restore DVD have had this option enabled.

So I looked at my HD light, my power light and HD light was blinking, but like a patient in need of Oxygen, after all I had nuked my driver on purpose, but I have had to do this many times--since installing GPU Tweak II, I realized which Jim Young recommended and I still have no prob with his suggestion, it has worked for me well despite my Windows update issues, I will install it again now that my system is baselined, because as soon as it restarted, it was in my wanted screen resolution but devoid of the latest GEForce experience driver, which I just installed yesterday.

My system is back at its original baseline, and I will see if the program you recommended allows me to choose when to run Windows update rather than having it forced upon me.  Plus the program you recommended created a previous baseline restore point, just in case.

Once again that is why Jim's insight and members like you, whose suggestions I have not seen often, helped me big time in solving a Whodunit case.  I my case, I dunnit, and I now have a "Get out of Jail Free pass" thanks to your program suggestion.

Now for some odd reason, since I stay online until about three AM local time, because I have a help desk for my family's computer issues overseas, I feel like playing Monopoly, always loved that game because everyone wins, because someone always has to put the money back in the box so we can play the game again...  After all, it has less value than Bitcoin, it is money to burn and much more colorful than most country's currencies, lol...

John -- One happy camper after reading your post!

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I haven't had any problems with the latest update.  I have the latest nVidia driver installed and there was no issues with it.  The one thing I do that may be out of step with most folks is I let MS install all its updates when they show up and I let nVidia do the install when I update my drivers. I l always run the latest updates.  I use Windows Defender and the paid version of Malwarebytes for anti-virus and they are not turned off when I do updates. 

I'm old so I may be confused.  🤣

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10 hours ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

How do you know that Jay ... 3rd party AV software could be the source of incomplete installation of 10 Sep updates.

Cheers, Rob.

I can only speak from my own personal experience. I had my AV software manually disabled when I updated, which is my standard practice. Besides, other users have said the same thing.

But you could be correct as I wouldn't put it past MS to allow only Windows Defender to be totally disabled during an update. Just because one disables a anti-malware app, some of its components could still be running in stealth mode.

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All,

 

An update from me.  I was able to successfully restore my computer to an earlier date after which everything worked fine, 100%.  However, once I did that Win10 automatically downloaded the updates again.  I created a new restore point as a precaution and then let the updates install when I powered down.  After a reboot I tested P3D again and everything was still good.  I can only assume I had a corrupted install in the first instance or Microsoft somehow fixed the problem in the new download?  Who knows.  Just glad to be up a running again.  If I learn anything else I will let you know.  Good Luck!

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Todd

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Looked at the menu items in " Shutup 10 after I downloaded it. Read the warnings about creating a restore   point before you touch anything in the program. I think I will take my chances with W10 updates. Not that I am a coward or anything. 😉


 

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Have the same issue here. Problem is Riva. Was running 7.2.2 with no issues. Update had downloaded in the background. After rebooting, P3D crashed. Killing RTSS eliminated the problem. Tried the 7.2.3 beta of RTSS with no joy.


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15 hours ago, PatC said:

That‘s a reason, why I don‘t like the Windows Updates. Isn‘t there a possibility to turn them completely off?

Kind Regards

Patrick

I bought 10 Pro because we were supposed to be able disable updates... but MS absolutely, positively must have access to our computers whenever they want.😠  I've tried a number of update blockers... some work, some don't, and some are more complicated than they need to be.  The best and easiest I've found is Windows Update Blocker .  Disables the Update Service and the Update Medic Service... both must be disabled to block updates.  Simple one-button-press to disable or enable updates as you wish!

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I just discovered something that may help those having P3D run issues with KB4515384.  I was at the LM forum and a gentleman named Jorgen suggested downloading and installing the latest Directs Redistributables might address the d3d9.dll error being experienced when running P3DV4.5 after installing KB4515384.  I did just that, and, now P3D runs with no errors with KB4515384 installed and with the current version of Rivatuner running as well.

For my system, installing the latest Directs Redistributables resolved my errors.

I hope this information helps.

Regards,

 

Danny


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DX etc. appears in the system error messages for other apps also, but it makes no sense for these apps like AIG FM which use no DirectX services. What the heck did MS do with this update?

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In PMDGs NGX virtual cockpit engine sound disappeared. MS has confirmed some sound issues with their latest update and I could resolve it according to their suggestions.

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I lost sound on my flightsim rig after one of the updates ate the sound card driver.  Resintalling the driver fixed it.

On both computers (flightsim and work), turns out I'm still having connectivity issues - ethernet works only occasionally, can run wifi as a workaround, but some sites fail to load.

Thinking of reversing course and loading new updates - since older builds haven't really cured things. Though my current irony is that the Windows update service can't connect thanks to the ethernet problems. 

Also thinking, for the first time, that maybe there's something to be said for Macs...

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2 hours ago, Nemo said:

In PMDGs NGX virtual cockpit engine sound disappeared. MS has confirmed some sound issues with their latest update and I could resolve it according to their suggestions.

This update has also caused some sound issues in X-Plane. Those using the Rotate MD-80 report that they have lost the APU sound when the update is present. Apparently uninstalling the update fixes the problem.


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