FSX-MS New hardware less VAS. Help needed...

[Performanceguru 1]

Hi,

this is for FSX SP2 boxed only.

After almost 5 enjoyable years on a AMD 8600/4GB RAM and a GTX970 under Win7 I decided to get new hardware. So now I have my i7/8700 (HT=on), 16GB RAM, a RTX2070 and a SSD, WIN10 and I'm heavily disapponted.

When I start a flight in EDDF with any of PMDG's I'm running out of VAS within seconds. Using the SceneryEditor disconnecting all not needed airports, using all the best practice tweaks it's still not possible to do a flight out of EDDF (Aerosoft's Mega Airport V1 or V2). I'm not using ORBX at all. What makes me wonder is the fact that everything worked well under WIN7.

Any hints? Any help?

Best

Hans

[Jim Young 2,356]

I upgraded to my current system (see signature for system specs) and had no problems running FSX so you certainly have an issue somewhere.  When I upgraded, I also went from Windows 7 to Windows 10.  I do know that the commercial version of EDDF is hard on any computer system but works better with Prepar3Dv4 as 64 bit applications have unlimited VAS. I did try to replicate your crashes at Frankfurt but had no issues whatsoever.  Here is my FSUIPC VAS report:

Spoiler

27750 G:\FSX\SimObjects\Airplanes\PMDG 737-800NGX WL\B737-800WL.AIR
    51000 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 3002300
    52219 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2999916
    92219 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 3001964
   102282 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2693512
   112282 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2751768
   122157 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2708260
   132407 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2550240
   138579 Aircraft loaded: running normally now ...
   138579 User Aircraft ID 1 supplied, now being used
   139563 System time = 01/10/2019 16:32:28, Simulator time = 11:43:53 (10:43Z)
   140750 Starting everything now ...
   143079 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2095276
   145407 Advanced Weather Interface Enabled
   152204 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2099896
   159032 Sim stopped: average frame rate for last 20 secs = 22.7 fps
   159032    Max AI traffic was 46 aircraft (Deleted 0)
   162219 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2094876
   172235 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2095388
   192266 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2016564
   202282 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2018192
   212297 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1879400
   222313 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1899956
   232329 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1920892
   242360 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1923664
   252344 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1916484
   262391 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1920732
   272422 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1923576
   282422 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1926320
   292438 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1899568
   302438 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1902320
   312485 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1873520
   322469 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1979764
   332500 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1980276
   342516 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1962916
   352516 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1899704
   372579 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1891916
   382579 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1920524
   392594 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1930304
   402625 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1966096
   412641 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1963752
   422657 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1948732
   432657 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1934876
   442704 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1894348
   452704 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1906688
   462704 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1884684
   472735 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1914312
   482750 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1912320
   492782 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1913732
   502782 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1917920
   512829 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1902648
   522813 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1864044
   532860 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1873996
   542875 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1873148
   552891 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1873444
   562907 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1879292
   572922 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1884904
   582938 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1874608
   592938 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1869632
   602954 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1870712
   613000 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1866712
   623000 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1862616
   633032 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1880296
   643047 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1867616
   653079 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1852216
   663079 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1869764
   673094 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1871608
   683110 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1880852
   693125 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1879924
   703157 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1880280
   713188 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1883332
   723188 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1874216
   733204 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1882024
   743219 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1882796
   753266 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1883300
   763282 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1881132
   773297 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1875148
   783297 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1875108
   793329 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1857364
   803344 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1860060
   813360 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1856756
   823375 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1861604
   833375 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1858960
   843422 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1857652
   853438 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1854164
   863438 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1855616
   873485 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1849436
   883500 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1852748
   893516 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1845572
   903532 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1844512
   913532 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1845616
   923563 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1841020
   933579 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1836896
   943610 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1837020
   953610 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1835468
   963657 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1833988
   973672 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1832972
   983704 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1833452
   993719 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1832468
  1003750 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1827212
  1013766 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1826092
  1023766 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1828668
  1033797 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1825808
  1043797 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1827812
  1053829 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1827412
  1063860 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1826928
  1073860 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1821700
  1083891 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1834636
  1093907 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1834952
  1103938 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1839808
  1113938 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1789520
  1123969 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1784000
  1134000 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1794636
  1144000 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1792992
  1154047 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1793772
  1164047 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1794656
  1174079 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1802260
  1184110 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1800388
  1194125 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1801184
  1204125 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1772328
  1214141 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1799632
  1224157 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1736924
  1234204 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1743180
  1244235 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1794124
  1254250 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1764944
  1264266 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1773484
  1271954 Sim stopped: average frame rate for last 1111 secs = 29.5 fps
  1271954    Max AI traffic was 62 aircraft (Deleted 0)

I used the default EDDF, default scenery, and the PMDG 737 (you did not indicate what you had loaded other than EDDF and any PMDG aircraft).  I was able to takeoff, land, and taxi to a Gate.  I would suspect I would have had issues using the payware EDDF (which I own but have not reinstalled).  I used UTLive for my AI program and did not have any real weather program turned on.  My settings are the settings shown in the AVSIM FSX Configuration Guide (link in my signature) and I use the NVIDIA Inspector program to manage the graphics.  I do not use Autogen as I believe that feature is totally unrealistic.  I do know that high Autogen will deplete VAS very fast.  Also AI settings.  I once loaded a GA aircraft from Carenado at KSTL using Seattle X and, while sitting on the runway for takeoff, I was looking at the AI loading and noticed my VAS was going to zero very fast as each AI was loaded.  It finally crashed in less than a minute.  I made some adjustments in UT Live and lower the amount of AI to 40% and have not seen the crash since.  So high AI settings will also cause issues.

I am going to move this over to the FSX Forum as you will probably receive more attention to your topic.

Best regards,

Jim

[Bob Scott 7,716]

Are you sure that SP2 is installed?  My boxed FSX came as the RTM version with SP1 and SP2 on the disk, so they had to be explicitly installed after running the RTM installer (as well as the SDK for each version in order).  If SP2 (and/or Acceleration) is not installed, the LargeAddressAware flag won't be set in the program's PE header, and thus the OS only allows it 2GB of VAS instead of the full 4GB...and you'll get an instant OOM just like you're seeing.

You might also make sure that MAX_TEXTURE_LOAD is set to no higher than 2048...some add-on installers will tweak that up to 4096, which is trouble in FSX.  And start with no traffic or wx and add those in later, one at a time.

Edit: I just loaded up the PMDG 737-800 at Aerosoft's EDDF (v2.11), UT2 traffic set to 40% commercial, "fair" weather and I have VAS remaining fluctuating between 544-675MB remaining, the lowest is seen when I go to an exterior view and look 360 deg around the jet.  I'm using FSX:SE, GEX, and UTX Europe v2.  No weather add-on.  This is with Win 10 Pro v1903 running on a 5 GHz 9900K with 32GB RAM, 11GB 1080Ti video card to a 2560x1440 display.

Regards

 

[Performanceguru 1]

Thanks Jim, Bob,

we're close to a public holiday over here. I will come back asap to get this solved.

[Kronovan 14]

20 hours ago, Jim Young said:

...as 64 bit applications have unlimited VAS.

I could be wrong about this and by all means I don't want to sound like a smart a$$ or derail a thread, but I believe it does have a maximum VAS of 18 Exabytes or less. Now that's a humongous amount of RAM by today's standards, but I'm old enough to remember the days when IBM sales reps would visit computer stores and state that the 4GB limit of 32 bit OS2 was as good as unlimited.  Unlimited it a moving target so to say, and I predict in 2-3 decades gamers and flight simmers will be bumping up against the VAS limit for 64 bit OSs.  🙏

Edited October 2, 2019 by Kronovan

[Jim Young 2,356]

You are correct.  There is a limit but the amount I read is 7 Terabytes which means it is unlimited today as there is no 7 terabyte M2 or SSD yet.

[Kronovan 14]

52 minutes ago, Jim Young said:

You are correct.  There is a limit but the amount I read is 7 Terabytes which means it is unlimited today as there is no 7 terabyte M2 or SSD yet.

Oh wow; didn't realize it was that little. I'll revise my prediction to 1-2 decades then.  🤣

[Luke 782]

Given that one of the big benefits of 64-bit code is that you can memory-map the filesystem and have it automatically swapped in and out of physical RAM as needed, I wouldn't be surprised if that limit got raised pretty soon. It's not difficult (or expensive) to provision a machine with >8TB of storage.

Cheers!

 

[Jim Young 2,356]

5 hours ago, Kronovan said:

Oh wow; didn't realize it was that little. I'll revise my prediction to 1-2 decades then.  🤣

I was wrong.  It's 8 terabytes, not 7 - https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/gettingstarted/virtual-address-spaces

 

[Performanceguru 1]

Doomday has arrived.

After so many years on FSX I finally switched to P3D V4 and it looks like I'm going to be happy again.

Do my part in the worldwide economy and buy my Addon's again.

Bye bye OOM's bye bye VAS outages. 

Thanks for your comments and help.