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4 hours ago, n4gix said:

but consider this my friends and fellow simmers...

Let's be real, truth be told here.... most flight sim developers are moon lighting second jobs on the side, it's a hobby, not their main source of income. If they make some money it's a bonus. 

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46 minutes ago, Lokote1998 said:

If you don't mind commentary, This one is at 4K.

 

Thanks for the videos. Guess I should visit You Tube instead of relying on the MS Homepage!!

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I will continue to build on my P3D library and whatnot until the MSFS release...until it actually is available and ready for prime time, this is just previews. I plan on supporting as many developers as possible as long as they continue to produce products I am interested in.

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4 hours ago, PATCO LCH said:

Prepar3d is my sim. If I see something I want I'll buy it if I think it will enhance my simming in some way.

For the time being the Oz man behind the curtain hasn't changed my plans a bit.

Lol!

 

Ditto!!!!


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My grandmother used to say. "There are two kinds of people who worry about money. Those who have to much and those who don't have enough." ( I'm sure my mother used to say it too and now so do I. Imagine that). Disposable income is the money leftover after you have taken care of all your financial obligation including what some might call the obligation to be charitable. You could say that what you do with your "disposable income" is purely a matter of self indulgence and there is no reason why one should not be very careful and discerning about that. You can buy FS addons based on the above in 2 ways. 1. The product represents value for money for you even taking into consideration that it might be obsolete in a matter of months. Or 2. As an act of charity. Personally, I wouldn't shed a tear for a business going under. I have owned several business that went under but I didn't. I had a good run at all of them. There is nothing wrong with having something to contend with. I'd be inclined to say that the FS developer world could do with a cull. I am confident no one will starve. Viva la revolución. Personally, I've been in somewhat of holding patern for about 3 or 4 years! 🤣 And I must say that from what I've seen I am very excited MSFS 2020 and am hoping to get selected for alpha testing if anyone is listening. 😍

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5 hours ago, LHookins said:

 If no one is aware, A2A made the F-104 and F-4 Phantom for military training purposes and are considering releasing it to the public. 

I wonder why they would make an F-104 and F-4 for military training purposes considering they’ve both been out of service for a long time, especially the F-104? What military is going to train on those?

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These threads always seem really "odd" to me ... if someone really enjoys flight simulation why would they change their buying habits?  I like Indian food, there is a new Indian restaurant being built just down the street that will open January 2020 ... so I'll stop eating until it opens???  Although I could do with some weight loss, but in the mean time there are plenty of other Indian restaurants I can enjoy.  🙂 

Add-ons just aren't that expensive (and I'm currently working on zero income and living off my savings) with worst case $150 to best case $5 and then freeware and make "your-own-ware" using the SDK.  

I love what Microsoft are "planning" to do, it visually looks fantastic but my simulation experience is not based entirely on visuals.  My buying habits for P3D and XP11 have not changed, in fact they've probably increased as I've been buying more XP11 content as it becomes available ... especially ORBX Oregon HD for XP11 although I was disappointed with the purple haze and overall quality and brown fields everywhere???  90% of the year Oregon is green everywhere, very green, it rains a lot here. I've really enjoy the recent updates from many developer (FSDT GSX, QW, FT, FB, etc.) for my existing P3D products.  Don't get wrong, I like my visuals, but that's just one small aspect of what flight "simulation" is about for me.

Cheers, Rob.

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A couple of days after the hype I have realized that I'll not use MSFS in the next 3 - 5 years. This is due to several reasons.

I prefer to fly helicopters and high fidelity vintage airplanes (Milviz Beaver, Aerosoft PBY, Wing24 Vega, A2A Spitfire) and these will take time to show up in MSFS. I use old-fashioned NDB radionav and have built a special 2D panel for this purpose, with an RMI & ADF (for cross bearing) and an old Sperry autopilot. The panel will probably not work in MSFS. 

I also use pilotage and ORBX has vastly more small landmarks than MSFS. These are distinct, hand-made and hand-placed objects like churches, light houses, prominent bridges, masts, overhead power lines, wind farms etc. In MSFS only the big 'tourist' land marks (hero objects) will be hand-made. On the country side these will be missing or they will be generated in a generic way by Azure AI. Besides, optically ORBX True Earth is not far behind the terrain in MSFS, except for cities.

The above are enough reasons for me not to jump ship. MSFS has still better weather, lighting, grass and flight model. It hurts 🙂 but one has to prioritize. Regarding weather, HiFi will hurry up if they want to stay in business, and regarding the flight model it seems that A2A has some new 'exciting' version of accufeel in the works. I hope that HiFi and A2A will close the gap to MSFS somewhat. 

 So P3D-addons it will be for the next years.

 

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Again? yes, I'll keep buying addons.

 


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Never noticed before but replaying some Video`s you start to look at the detail and not the big picture, and you see scenery popping and this is pre-recorded edited let hope this is not what you see in sim if a 2800ti is popping ???   


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Not interested in any addons anylonger. P3D is riding a dead horse right now. 


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I used to spend a lot of money on add-ons, but I already have 4 sims installed on my PC and I cannot keep adding new ones to that list. Therefore, I have decided to get rid of P3D in the long-run and stick only to DCS, XP11 and MSFS. 

For this reason, I won´t be buying any new add-ons for P3D, while I might do so for XP11 if something really great comes along (for instance, the Rotate MD-11). With such a vibrant freeware community, I believe I can keep using XP11 for a long time with the paid content that I own and continue to enjoy that sim until MSFS takes off.

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It's funny listening to xplane and p3d fanatics talk about how they won't be changing over lol...ya ok.

12 hours ago, shivers9 said:

Good for you Fr. Bill. It is about time some Dev's spoke up. This is all getting more silly by the day. Many newer folks do not know that the last time Dev's tried to deal with MS the reports were that the MS boys were really trying to dump on the Dev's. Just a theory but it is something to consider....by this stupid slow roll of a release where you guys get all excited every week on the same day over the promise of the "Flight Sim of the Gods" which is not a new engine as you were all excited about but a dressed up FSX/Flight in a new box. That is if they can make it work in what another 14 months with "200" developers working on it. This may be great in 2-4 years and I hope it is! That is no reason to let a marketing group lead us around by the nose.

This is a great time to be in the hobby...as far as being a "dressed up" fsx lol...that sounds like sour grapes.

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I stopped buying addons for P3D a long time ago because I have all I need. Can't imagine anything being released that would be a must have compared to what I have, specially not with the upcoming MSFS in mind. I don't need a new plane or scenery every month. And I personally don't believe in buying addons just to support developers...!

I have to add (for those who read my previous posts) that all this talk about MSFS and what it should have out of the box made me reinstall P3D again... Never thought that would happen LOL (The news that Deadstick won't be released this year also helped in that regard.) I really started to miss flying in weather with ATC and so on. (The fact that AFS2 is going nowhere also helped in that regard.)

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7 minutes ago, Flybynumbers said:

It's funny listening to xplane and p3d fanatics talk about how they won't be changing over lol...ya ok.

It has nothing to do with "if we will buy it". It is more about when it will be avail. and if it lives up to the hype. Speaking for some of the "xpain and p3d fanatics" we do enjoy being funny for you. 


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