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I was never interested in PMDG, and I certainly don't think that their product presence is necessary in a flight sim for that sim to survive in the market.

Being a GA flyer, i am not trying to fly the type of planes that they make...with that level of complexity. And I certainly would not pay a high amount for a GA plane given what's offered in the sim stock.

With all of that said, I am passionate about some hobbies to a point where price isn't a issue (ever heard of DJI drones?). And well, there must be something to PMDGs level of detail that gets people to pay those prices for what they are getting to satisfy that passion / need.

So hey, if it costs over $100 and gets you the experience that you are looking for...got for it. To me, once I am enjoying the product, the price paid to get me the experience becomes irrelevant.

 

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9 minutes ago, Will Fly For Cheese said:

It's just more visceral, you're just more there in the cockpit twiddling Nav Radios - waiting to get in range of VORs/ ADFs, etc feeling afraid you'll lose your way - no magenta line to see your way through.

Wait... someone made a 737 that DOES this?  This is how I prefer to fly! 😄 

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2 hours ago, WestAir said:

Nyxx, I didn't want to quote due to the length of your post, but I just wanted to say that yes, PMDG does most of that. The lead developer of FSLabs was a PMDG developer once upon a time.

He certainly carried over the PMDG philosophy with him, and it's why I believe the pricetag of the FSLabs and PMDG stock are worth it.

Cheers.

It's perhaps a little more accurate to say that Lefteris took his philosophy with him, obviously, and PMDG's reputation continues to benefit from him having set that standard when he was there. The original aeroplanes which made PMDG's reputation (and won the awards) were largely down to his influence.

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53 minutes ago, LHookins said:

But you bought the planes anyway, right? 😄   I desperately wish gasoline prices were the same as they were in the late 60's (33 cents a gallon) but I wouldn't want to go back to late 60's wages ($3.25 an hour).  We didn't have the Internet then... or flight sims.

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Ahh, the inflation argument.  I actually spoke about this in regards to the increase in addon prices in another thread a while back.

PMDG sold the 737NG for about $80 just a few years ago.  Now they want $140.  Granted, they have updated the plane and added some features, but this is a 75% increase in just a few years.  This equates to 15-20% annual inflation in the price of an addon plane, far exceeding the actual 2-3% inflation rate for most goods.

$99 would be a more reasonable price, but I'm not holding my breath as IMO the PMDG folks are simply greedy and are engaging in another money grab.

We need more competition.

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PMDG definitely needs more competition. Right now in this thread, I get a solid impression that PMDG feels like king and President over the market when it comes to Boeing aircraft in particular. Does it matter that they received a full license from the Boeing factory to make approximate simulations themselves?
My impression at least is that they got a great demand when they launched NGX and right after that 777 launched that they wondered if the price was undersized in relation to the price. Now I bought both NGX and 777 for FSX when they were launched, but I jumped in the air when I realized what they greedily demand of the versions of P3D. But this is something we consumers ultimately decide by refusing to pay overpriced for.

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Agreed, PMDG knows that customers will pay any amount and then in turn put their purchase for other apps on the backburner.  Look at other apps outside of the PMDG 737, 747, 777 like FSUIPC and FS2Crew for instance.  2 "must have" apps.  Their pricing is more in line for an add-on, why are they not charging more?


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1 hour ago, David Mills said:

Paying $139 for a plane in a $60 sim is like paying $75 for ink cartridges in a $60 printer.

Windows 10 Pro costs $139. Autocad, (which requires Windows 10), costs over $4,000. Adobe Acrobat Capture costs $20,000. Image Solutions DocComposer costs $122,000.

These are just a few examples of software designed to run on a particular platform that cost far more than the platform itself. 
 

 

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29 minutes ago, Chock said:

It's perhaps a little more accurate to say that Lefteris took his philosophy with him, obviously, and PMDG's reputation continues to benefit from him having set that standard when he was there. The original aeroplanes which made PMDG's reputation (and won the awards) were largely down to his influence.

Thank goodness he did! I don't agree with a lot that Lefteris does (See: spyware fiasco) but without him our hobby would be worse off with regards to study level sims.

Leonardo, PMDG, FSLabs, A2A, and Carenado have brought me a lot of joy. The teams at FS2Crew, HiFi and FSDT need a solid mention as well for bringing the best non-aircraft content at a reasonable price. What would we be without these guys?

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9 minutes ago, HUSSAR said:

Agreed, PMDG knows that customers will pay any amount and then in turn put their purchase for other apps on the backburner.  Look at other apps outside of the PMDG 737, 747, 777 like FSUIPC and FS2Crew for instance.  2 "must have" apps.  Their pricing is more in line for an add-on, why are they not charging more?

I wouldn't consider FS2Crew as must have. I would replace it with ActiveSky.

2 minutes ago, WestAir said:

Thank goodness he did! I don't agree with a lot that Lefteris does (See: spyware fiasco) but without him our hobby would be worse off with regards to study level sims.

Leonardo, PMDG, FSLabs, A2A, and Carenado have brought me a lot of joy. The teams at FS2Crew, HiFi and FSDT need a solid mention as well for bringing the best non-aircraft content at a reasonable price. What would we be without these guys?

What spyware fiasco? Have missed that? Has that already been solved, or does the installer still comes with spyware? Or whatever fiasco you are talking about.

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Yes

3 minutes ago, JRBarrett said:

Windows 10 Pro costs $139. Autocad, (which requires Windows 10), costs over $4,000. Adobe Acrobat Capture costs $20,000. Image Solutions DocComposer costs $122,000.

These are just a few examples of software designed to run on a particular platform that cost far more than the platform itself. 
 

 

Yes, you can well defend the price of these products which are actually self-developed just as MSF is built for the Windows platform. That you have to pay double to use e.g. an additional product on top of a fully developed software developed for Windows such as. Adobe, is something each person must decide for themselves. One must not have e.g. PMDG in the hangar, one must not have different airports for the whole world. But the point is that the large customer mass actually determines the price in the end. If you or I e.g. could have made an identical 737 like PMDG and sold it at 70% of the price that PMDG demands, then I am very sure that 99% of the market had gone for my or your solution on the product. As the whole thread permeates and other forums as well, customers are starting to get quite tired of paying a lot of extra to keep their interest up. And thank goodness there are actually other less advanced vendors out there such as. Ifly and maybe Wilco etc etc etc etc which I hope can really take up the competition against those who feel like kings, queens and presidents on one and the same platform.

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1 hour ago, Will Fly For Cheese said:

you're just more there in the cockpit twiddling Nav Radios

I resemble that remark.


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I can't understand, how and why can be this thread so long. All of us are still absolutely free don't buy PMDG plane, if we are thinkink, that price is to high. Yes, it's so simply. For me is clear, I will buy it, because there doesn't exist some comparable simulator 737NG.

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Well gl with that, i would never ever pay that kind of money for a plane, you can call it a simulator as much as you want, but it is only an xbox game.

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It comes down to what you look for in one product that others do not have. Most of the customers want a plane that they can fly and spend their time with, rather than sitting for hours after hours reading how it works, because then we are on a completely different type of hobby that narrows the market significantly. Yes, it is fun for both you and me to sit down in various procedures etc when things go wrong etc, but 95% of users who use MSF have a goal, it is to get from A-B without a lot of headaches. And I'm very sure that starting to pay up to $ 130 for a plane that actually has a lot of bugs in it, then the interest drops a lot and you can start calling the supplier greedy due to a word not allowed license they have secured.

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