>I have to say, I don't see a HUGE amount of different in your>comparison screen shots between FSX default and>FSX+UT+FSGenesis. A couple more bumps and such, but nothing>that somebody would really notice if they aren't intimately>familiar with the landscape that they're flying in. >>VERY pretty though!!! The comparison with the FS2004 + FS>Genesis+UT is amazing. Like night and day.>>God, I can't wait to get my hands on FSX..>>I think a lot of people are going to be very happy with the>sim's visuals right out of the box (which is good because>it'll probably be a little while before there are FSX specific>versions of all the various upgrade tools.)>>--2002cbr600f4iAgreed.Honestly, when I am playing the Deluxe version (got mine at Best Buy last week), it's nice to be able to play and not feel like you need to improve the terrain/scenery. Eerything seems pretty good as-is out of the box. I was actually in the "FS9 with add-ons looks better than FSX" crowd untill I actually bought and played FSX. Now I am of the opinion that FSX is quite a bit better than FS9 with add-ons. I'm still gonna get the FS Genesis stuff as I love their work and it can only make the nice mesh even better, but overall, I must say that FSX looks fantastic out of the box.

There is a huge difference with stock FSX vs FSX with UT/FSGen. The water data aka streams/lakes/rivers, night is different with lights, night textures too. The mesh in the Maritimes, Eastern Canada, isn't flat anymore too.You should see CYYZ at dusk/night, with the street lights and FSX cars. Its crazy.

>I was actually in the "FS9 with add-ons looks better than FSX">crowd untill I actually bought and played FSX...FS-X is nice, once I added the UT Canada dir as scenery, it started coming to life. Be great when UT is updated for FS-X. Tried some FS-X missions, etc, it has a lot to offer and will continue to get better as PC's advance.

How many FPS are you guys losing with UT and FSGenesis mesh? Neglible? or substantial?Manny

Manny,I lost none with UT USA and CA.Jimhttp://www.hifisim.com/Active Sky V6 Development Team Active Sky V6 Proud SupporterHiFi Beta TeamRadar Contact Supporter: http://www.jdtllc.com/AirSource Member: http://www.air-source.us/FSEconomy Member:http://www.fseconomy.com/

True, it is the same.Would not the data for rivers. etc... be the same size whether or not it is accurate?allen