32 or 64 gb memory?

[Seat* 53]

I have 32 gb 2666 mhz of memory today. What benefits are there to upgrading to 64 gb and / or should it be faster than 2666

 

/Thomas

[G-RFRY 1,712]

For gaming none.

[WarpD 824]

The more physical memory you have, the less likely your system will need to do any form of swapping.  The more physical memory you have, the more room there is to load in textures, and if they're all going to be 4K textures... you're going to need more memory. The more physical meory you have, the more file caching can occur so that you're not going back to the drive for a file.  DRAM is still faster than a SSD, so every edge is of value.

There are lots of reasons to increase memory... especially while it's decently priced.

[GSalden 4,657]

No use for P3D. Not even when using 4K.

My server (2x 4K)  has 32 Gb and my client ( 1x 4K) has only 16 Gb. 
More than enough. Both never exceed 60% load.

 

Edited January 29, 2020 by GSalden

[Jude Bradley 659]

Buy an M.2 storage if you want to spend money 🙂
I See you already have one 🙂
 

Edited January 29, 2020 by Jude Bradley

[WarpD 824]

That's today... under whatever settings you're using.  That is not a guarantee of behavior.  As I stated... if you can afford it... max your ram.  In no way is that EVER a bad call.  

I have never, ever seen where someone complained about having too much RAM.  Seriously.

[G-RFRY 1,712]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnuNs_Nu46Q

Or as Der8auer would say spend it on something that will boost games like GPU ,CPU , or faster drives.

[Seat* 53]

Thank you for all input...i´m wait and see

/Thomas

 

[Bob Scott 7,720]

I don't agree with the blanket approach of stuffing a bunch of unneeded RAM into a system, any more than I would tell someone to put 50TB of disk storage on their computer "just because."

If you overclock and use high-performance RAM (something I think is underemphasized in designing a high-performance system), you're not likely to get as much memory bandwidth when putting more modules in, or layering more on the DIMMs themselves, as it puts more stress on the IMC, and imposes some timing constraints due to the variance in response across a larger number of devices.  If you look at 4 DIMM 32GB kits, you'll find that the top-rated kits are significantly slower (lower clock speed and/or higher CAS latency) than the top-rated 2-DIMM 16GB kits.  And 4-DIMM 64GB kits, even slower still.

 

[Quasimodo 505]

Currently using 2 x 8GB modules on an Asus Maximus X Apex which has only 2 slots. 4400mhz CL18

Recently I was looking to see if a 32GB kit with as good timing could be found.

No such kit as far as I can see is available. If MSFS really does require 32GB, I might have to compromise.

But I won't be pulling any triggers until I actually have the released version in my system and see with my own two

eye's if its required. Good call to wait and see.😉

Edited January 29, 2020 by Avidean

[sillyflyer 11]

2 hours ago, w6kd said:

I don't agree with the blanket approach of stuffing a bunch of unneeded RAM into a system, any more than I would tell someone to put 50TB of disk storage on their computer "just because."

If you overclock and use high-performance RAM (something I think is underemphasized in designing a high-performance system), you're not likely to get as much memory bandwidth when putting more modules in, or layering more on the DIMMs themselves, as it puts more stress on the IMC, and imposes some timing constraints due to the variance in response across a larger number of devices.  If you look at 4 DIMM 32GB kits, you'll find that the top-rated kits are significantly slower (lower clock speed and/or higher CAS latency) than the top-rated 2-DIMM 16GB kits.  And 4-DIMM 64GB kits, even slower still.

 

 

https://youtu.be/FUVDt11-55c?t=98

 

 

Edited January 29, 2020 by sillyflyer

[Montie 124]

You will not gain any performance in gaming going from 32 to 64 gigs of RAM. Faster memory can give a small bump in performance, but unless it’s cheap it’s not really worth it.

System RAM is not going to help with HD textures in gaming. Textures are loaded into the memory on the graphics card.

[G-RFRY 1,712]

If MSFS requires 32gb of ram to run it ill eat my flat cap, it would make it the first game to do so and out of some users interest, a hard core simmer may upgrade but the casual gamer no,and sales will be limited no game console has 16GB of ram let alone 32GB.

The reason I now run 2 16GB sticks I have office 365 and Adobo installed, not for my sim.

Edited January 29, 2020 by rjfry

[Bob Scott 7,720]

3 hours ago, Montie said:

You will not gain any performance in gaming going from 32 to 64 gigs of RAM.

This I agree with.

3 hours ago, Montie said:

Faster memory can give a small bump in performance, but unless it’s cheap it’s not really worth it.

The most discernible performance difference I can point to between fast and not so fast memory with ESP-based sims can be seen when dealing with heavy autogen areas like the western LA basin in Orbx SoCal, or the stock Seattle or Tokyo metro areas.  On a fast 6+ core CPU, neither CPU nor GPU will be likely be maxxed out, but with a better memory subsystem (which includes fast RAM, as much L3 cache as you can get on the CPU, and a strong IMC) the stutters which plague those areas smooth out tremendously.  Whether that's worth it or not depends on what/where you fly and how you value that smoothness if you frequent these sorts of trouble spots.

 

[sillyflyer 11]

32 minutes ago, w6kd said:

The most discernible performance difference I can point to between fast and not so fast memory with ESP-based sims can be seen when dealing with heavy autogen areas like the western LA basin in Orbx SoCal, or the stock Seattle or Tokyo metro areas.  On a fast 6+ core CPU, neither CPU nor GPU will be likely be maxxed out, but with a better memory subsystem (which includes fast RAM, as much L3 cache as you can get on the CPU, and a strong IMC) the stutters which plague those areas smooth out tremendously.  Whether that's worth it or not depends on what/where you fly and how you value that smoothness if you frequent these sorts of trouble spots.

 

People who buy, in example, DDR4 3600-4000 C19-19-20 and paid for the marketing DDR4 (4000) speed instead of understanding how latency works in relation to the CPU, actually bought DDR4 2800-3200 C18-19 and assume from there. A 1gnorant statement of 'you pay too much for nothing OR nearly nothing' is in fact correct, at least for them. 

Edited January 29, 2020 by sillyflyer