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3 hours ago, tripper721 said:

To those more knowledgeable than I when I comes to computer specs. In your opinion what will be the difference to installing the game on 150gb HDD vs 150gb SSD? I have the ability to do both, but curious if there are noticeable factors between the two? I'm assuming SSD will load faster, but just looking for more guidance. 

Fragmentation will become an issue over time if updates are made to the core product. In layman’s terms on an SSD every bit of data can be retrieved at the same speed.

But on a mechanical HDD data is stored on a cylinder and one file could eventually be stored in three different places. It takes time for the head reading the data to find and read it. Now imagine that for thousands of files. Reading files and loading the sim will eventually become longer and longer. To solve that you have to run a defragmentation program. Time consuming.

No such problems exist with an SSD. Given they are no longer so expensive there is no excuse not to use them.

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To be precise, fragmentation still occurs on an SSD. It's just that random read speeds are so much faster that it is not worth performing a defragmentation process and creating so many random writes that would wear down an SSD. At least this used to apply several years ago, today most mid-range and high-end SSDs should be durable enough to withstand defragmentation, but probably not routinely.

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@ChaoticBeauty, I’ve never heard of anyone defraggjng SSDs. The wear would be phenomenal given they have a limited number of write operations. A quick fire way to prematurely end the life of one.

I’ve had SSDs in three computers and have never defragged any.

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3 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

@ChaoticBeauty, I’ve never heard of anyone defraggjng SSDs. The wear would be phenomenal given they have a limited number of write operations. A quick fire way to prematurely end the life of one.

Several years ago this definitely would be the case, though nowadays SSDs are a lot more durable, and the bigger amount of space definitely helps. But I don't think anyone has tested whether defragmentation would be of any benefit anyway.

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In theory there probably would be an improvement but not so much it’s worth the time and effort.


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On 4/29/2020 at 12:01 PM, Rob_Ainscough said:

I was told privately from someone at Microsoft that a subscription will NOT be required to obtain streaming data.

Encouraging but I will still wait until it is available publicly in writing from official sources or when the product is already out.

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9 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

SSDs do fragment, and you should be doing a optimization pass every once and a while. Windows also does it automatically (but smartly, they're not wasting your writes) if you have system restore enabled.

https://www.hanselman.com/blog/TheRealAndCompleteStoryDoesWindowsDefragmentYourSSD.aspx

I do. I also have a Samsung utility that tells me the reliability of the SSD. I run that ocasionally.


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2 hours ago, MaVe64 said:

As the article above says, it depends on what the process is. You shouldn't do a full defrag but windows optimization doesn't do a full defrag, it just cleans up important files for running the computer.

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19 hours ago, michal said:
On 4/29/2020 at 12:01 PM, Rob_Ainscough said:

I was told privately from someone at Microsoft that a subscription will NOT be required to obtain streaming data.

Encouraging but I will still wait until it is available publicly in writing from official sources or when the product is already out.

Agreed.  "Will not be required" doesn't specify that there will not be any.  While Rob's source implies some form of free access to the streaming data (5 mbps perhaps?), the "ideal 50 mbps" may require an additional fee of some sort.  A total guess of course, but dang, I hope I'm wrong here.

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I did recommend that MS put this information on one of their official website (insider website would be ideal) for all to consume ... I hope they follow thru to clarify their position.

Cheers, Rob.

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4 hours ago, TheFamilyMan said:
 

Agreed.  "Will not be required" doesn't specify that there will not be any.  While Rob's source implies some form of free access to the streaming data (5 mbps perhaps?), the "ideal 50 mbps" may require an additional fee of some sort.  A total guess of course, but dang, I hope I'm wrong here.

You are wrong. Time to let it go.

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Adobo has done such a wonderful job revealing the sim through the Discovery series episodes, but just giving us a table of “minimum, recommended & ideal” hasn’t done much to show the reasoning behind their choices. I’d love to see: “Episode 9 - Specs Explained.”

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1 hour ago, lynthetrucker said:

Adobo has done such a wonderful job revealing the sim through the Discovery series episodes, but just giving us a table of “minimum, recommended & ideal” hasn’t done much to show the reasoning behind their choices. I’d love to see: “Episode 9 - Specs Explained.”

Well you know that if you want to enjoy the sim in 60fps at 4K, you can, with those ideal specs.

That is something isn't it?

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