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To the OP....Just stop reading about gamers getting 120-400 FPS and turn off your Frames counter and enjoy a smooth flight. It is really that easy. 


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4 minutes ago, jay281 said:

I knew that choice of word would bite me in the donkey. 😂

Bert, let’s be quite honest, 30fps in 2020 is a joke, either in a game or simulator. 
 

If I wanted 30fps, I’d buy a console. 
 

I get your point... but for some of us, the challenge is flying the plane, including procedures, navigation etc..

As long as it is smooth (which it is for me in V5) I could not care less what the fps counter might show.

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I've had that trip through frustration ally with V5 as well which bought me to some introspection. I could probably pay for a PPL with the money I've spent on addons the past years but many are just not going to be compatible in the new sim and I'm no longer going to waste time trying to shoe horn them in.

I like eye candy as much as anyone but I am primarily an airplane centric simmer so do I have to have a payware airport every new place I fly to? 

Maybe Ive been expecting too much realism from a table top sim run on a home  PC. Maybe I should get out more and keep things, especially a hobby in its place. Try to give the other aspects of life more consideration. 

Now I'm slowly migrating over to version five without stressing.


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20 minutes ago, Bert Pieke said:

I get your point... but for some of us, the challenge is flying the plane, including procedures, navigation etc..

As long as it is smooth (which it is for me in V5) I could not care less what the fps counter might show.

Oh, Bert!  You're just not a gamer.  You must pine over every lost fps and tree that's an inch shorter than it should be.  C'mon....what's the fun in a smooth flight from point A to point B.  I've actually seen some posts (not on this site!) where they said they would kill themselves if they didn't get 500fps.

All tongue-in-cheek!  🤪

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42 minutes ago, shivers9 said:

To the OP....Just stop reading about gamers getting 120-400 FPS and turn off your Frames counter and enjoy a smooth flight. It is really that easy. 

It’s really not. Getting P3D smooth takes time, knowledge and patience. 
 


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I totally agree! I'm done with the constant tweaking, CTD’s, bugs, and buying hardware that never meets the requirements since I start simming in the FSX days. My hobby is flying, and for the first time I finally got my P3D 4.5 HF3 settings, my PC hardware setup and all my add-ons at a stage where I’m happy with. So I start up my PC and enjoy flying!
 

For now I don’t feel the need switching to P3Dv5 (although I bought it), X plane, or MSF2020 in the near future, and starting allover with the same problems.


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2 minutes ago, jay281 said:

It’s really not. Getting P3D smooth takes time, knowledge and patience. 
 

I don't have an answer for you. Maybe you should sell your computer and take up oh I don't know do something like Golf. That game requires no money and the outdoors has unlimited frame rates. It also requires no effort or knowledge. It is not the least bit hard to learn and it includes all you need. Lighting is always completely accurate and is included as well as it comes with a perfect weather engine. All you need is a couple of golfing sticks and a ball and the only code you need to learn is the word "FOUR!" Hope that helps.


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46 minutes ago, charliearon said:

Oh, Bert!  You're just not a gamer.  You must pine over every lost fps and tree that's an inch shorter than it should be.  C'mon....what's the fun in a smooth flight from point A to point B.  I've actually seen some posts (not on this site!) where they said they would kill themselves if they didn't get 500fps.

All tongue-in-cheek!  🤪

Haha, true, big FPS numbers are essential in a competitive shooter title.

Big FPS in flightsim- not so much. However, 30FPS is a knife edge number. IF you can maintain it with high fidelity addons -great, but I bet most can’t.

Load up the FSL, Orbx Socal and KLAX with visually pleasing settings, then bask in the PowerPoint glory as it brings a 2K + desktop to it knees. 

Smooth is a subjective term.

Consistent frame times are objective, and form the basis of “smooth” And consistent frame times are difficult to achieve in P3D. 
 

Imho higher FPS helps the overall perception of smoothness even if you have poor frame times, I suppose thats my point about 30fps, It’s just too low to hide the inconsistencies.

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4 minutes ago, shivers9 said:

Maybe you should sell your computer and take up oh I don't know do something like Golf.

Bait.

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24 minutes ago, jay281 said:

Imho higher FPS helps the overall perception of smoothness even if you have poor frame times, I suppose thats my point about 30fps, It’s just too low to hide the inconsistencies.

This is the part I don't understand, if you are well experienced and tech savvy, then you will know how to get a solid 60 FPS in P3D or any sim of choice.  I've made several videos at 60 FPS in P3D V5 showing how smooth it is under high speed flight ... and yes, add-on selection and graphics settings adjustments were required ... the same thing I do for MSFS, XP, ... only exception being AF2.

If you want "set and forget", then 30 FPS is a much easier target and will allow one to increase graphics settings and add-on settings (I think many users aren't even aware their add-ons have their own specific set of adjustments which can make a drastic difference in FPS).

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I’ve come to accept that 30fps in a complex, open world flight sim is a reasonable expectation and a  perfectly enjoyable experience on balance.  I can achieve this in P3Dv5.

Hoping for a consistent frame rate higher than that is a fools errand for most if using  complex addons and you’re more likely to drive yourself crazy trying to achieve it.

For the record i also play golf and it’s a toss up which is more likely to be exhilarating and frustrating in the same session.   Neither are cheap.

This is all based on my experiences, YMMV.

 

 

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1 hour ago, jay281 said:

It’s really not. Getting P3D smooth takes time, knowledge and patience. 
 

Not really.  I had to change two things re: vsync in World settings screen, and I was done.  Perfectly smooth fluid flight.

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I've stayed with 4.5.  Love it.  No tweaking, no ctd, no problems.  All of the whole setup is totally dedicated to flying-not tweaking or fixing. Flying 2-3 hours every day during the pandemic. Keeping me sane.


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7 hours ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

then you will know how to get a solid 60 FPS in P3D or any sim of choice.

I do, but it involves to much of a compromise. Why should I have to set the sliders far left and fly over a bland environment or operate low fidelity AC?

As for XP right now under the current beta, I can almost have my cake and eat it (within reason).

Im really not trying to bash the platform, it’s served me well for a long time, and it’s been a huge help to me. But there will always be large deltas in compromise when using it, and I think that is what is eroding my enjoyment.

7 hours ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

I've made several videos at 60 FPS in P3D V5

That’s more a credit to your rig. 

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7 hours ago, Mace said:

Not really.  I had to change two things re: vsync in World settings screen, and I was done.  Perfectly smooth fluid flight.

Sure, after years of fiddling with P3D, this just isn’t true. 


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