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Amazing, only an Avsim can i read the good old "i get 30 fps but it's smooth" statement. I'll add it to the list.

Meanwhile i urge you to try something at 60 fps. Assuming fps are stable on both 30 and 60 of course.


 

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If you are tired of flight simulators, just take a break. Believe me: It works! 😊

Eventually, you will start missing flying, and your body will produce hormones dictating your flightsim desire at an increasing rate, like it is happening to me. (I have not had access to my flightsim PC for months due to the fact that it's located in another country, and I can't get there due to the lockdown). I would love to fly these days. But I also know that whenever I have flown multiple times for several days, I get tired of it and want to put the sim aside for a while.

As far as performance/FPS: A treacherous aspect is that the trend to higher resolutions and larger screens requires higher FPS to keep up the sensation of a smooth flight. I remember 20 years ago when I used 15" or 17" screens with a resolution of 1024x768 on FS2000, as little as 20 FPS were enough to give me the perception of smoothness, since the transition from one frame to the next leaves a short distance on the screen. (And if you remember, the performance of FS2000 was probably the worst of its time back then, so 20 FPS were considered good!). Now with 4K resolutions and 40+ inch screens, you need many more FPS to maintain smoothness - but with higher resolutions, it becomes increasingly difficult to achieve high FPS. It almost becomes a Sisyphean task. Not that I propose returning to antiquated resolutions and screen sizes, but just wanted to point out an observation.

I personally use different graphics profiles for different types of flights. If I want to fly VFR, I have no problem sacrificing some FPS in exchange for denser settings (and since GA airplanes are friendlier on resources, it offsets the loss in FPS a little.). For IFR flights, do you need to have the PC compute every little chimney on the ground, which you won't see anyway?  And this is where in my opinion True Earth products are an overkill for IFR flights, as immersive as they are. The OpenLC approach gives a believable recognition and very good FPS. Maybe you should try it?

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Well.. I can get 30 FPS locked and sure, it looks smooth when just looking through the window. However when panning in the cockpit that fluid sensation simply goes away (fps still solid at 30 ofc). But this is an argument we will never come to an agreement about. For me, 30 fps simply does not cut it. And on occasion seeing people claim smoothness on even lower frames is just hilarious. To each their own I suppose.

But lets put that old argument to rest; we will never agree. Travelling at the moment, I haven't had the possibility to test out the new hotfix. How is it holding up?

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It is totally smooth but... It is totally smooth except when... It is totally smooth considering... it is totally smooth with <follow a list of trials and errors tweaks >... 

And anyway, 30 fps is totally overrated, It is totally smooth at 20 fps on my  monitor that I totally dumbed down at 20 Hz. Read my lips, SMOOTHNESS ! TOTALLY ! 

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"30 fps is not enough...". 

Maybe, if you're a dog. In case of human you cannot see the difference. And: stutters when panning e.g. have nothing in common with fps. 

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1 hour ago, Pegaso said:

"30 fps is not enough...". 

Maybe, if you're a dog. In case of human you cannot see the difference.

Again with this nonsense? Everybody knows that's not true.

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14 minutes ago, Murmur said:

Again with this nonsense? Everybody knows that's not true.

Yeah, absolutely hilarious. 😂


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2 hours ago, Pegaso said:

"30 fps is not enough...". 

Maybe, if you're a dog. In case of human you cannot see the difference. And: stutters when panning e.g. have nothing in common with fps. 

Not talking about stutters when panning. If you seriously can’t tell the difference in fluidity when quickly panning in 30 vs, say, 50-60 fps I just don’t know what to say. I sure can see it clear as day. And that nonsense about not seeing over 30 fps isn’t even worthy of comment as it’s plainly too absurd to be taken seriously. 

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Actually, anyone who can't tell the difference between 30 and 60 fps on a fast moving object can consider themselves gifted: The CPU and video card don't have to be so expensive and work as hard, yet they perceive things as if they were 60 fps. Wouldn't you love that? 😃

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Let me be critical for once, I've been flying lots in v4.5 and do enjoy it still and it's been great I admit it, but let's face the harsh unbiased reality, at this point I'm enduring it, and there's a saying that goes "you can't teach an old dog new tricks". Most of my planes, are 6 or 7 years old and that includes A2A/PMDG ext.. on 9 year old tech that was ported from FSX using 15 year old scenery, and no matter how much lipstick and add-ons I put on it's still an old dog that just wants to spend his days in his comfy bed because his legs are tired.

Go and read the P3D forums and see if you want to jump into that mess, how many HF's are you going to need to just make it run, I know I know, we love our simulators and we've spent a whole lot on it and it's harsh but whether you admit it or not both LM/LR are selling unfinished betas before the seas open and the exodus begins to the promised land.

Yea I'm still pushing P3D v4.5 to it's limits but the reality is that soon I'll have to take that walk over to rainbow bridge and so will most of you.

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30 minutes ago, FPStewy said:

Let me be critical for once, I've been flying lots in v4.5 and do enjoy it still and it's been great I admit it, but let's face the harsh unbiased reality, at this point I'm enduring it, and there's a saying that goes "you can't teach an old dog new tricks". Most of my planes, are 6 or 7 years old and that includes A2A/PMDG ext.. on 9 year old tech that was ported from FSX using 15 year old scenery, and no matter how much lipstick and add-ons I put on it's still an old dog that just wants to spend his days in his comfy bed because his legs are tired.

Go and read the P3D forums and see if you want to jump into that mess, how many HF's are you going to need to just make it run, I know I know, we love our simulators and we've spent a whole lot on it and it's harsh but whether you admit it or not both LM/LR are selling unfinished betas before the seas open and the exodus begins to the promised land.

Yea I'm still pushing P3D v4.5 to it's limits but the reality is that soon I'll have to take that walk over to rainbow bridge and so will most of you.

I think you may be a little missguided there. I feel a lot of XP users will be happy staying with xp in the direction they are already going.

Time will tell of course but I hope I'm right!

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37 minutes ago, FPStewy said:

Let me be critical for once, I've been flying lots in v4.5 and do enjoy it still and it's been great I admit it, but let's face the harsh unbiased reality, at this point I'm enduring it, and there's a saying that goes "you can't teach an old dog new tricks". Most of my planes, are 6 or 7 years old and that includes A2A/PMDG ext.. on 9 year old tech that was ported from FSX using 15 year old scenery, and no matter how much lipstick and add-ons I put on it's still an old dog that just wants to spend his days in his comfy bed because his legs are tired.

Go and read the P3D forums and see if you want to jump into that mess, how many HF's are you going to need to just make it run, I know I know, we love our simulators and we've spent a whole lot on it and it's harsh but whether you admit it or not both LM/LR are selling unfinished betas before the seas open and the exodus begins to the promised land.

Yea I'm still pushing P3D v4.5 to it's limits but the reality is that soon I'll have to take that walk over to rainbow bridge and so will most of you.

That is incredibly well said. Thank you!

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12 minutes ago, philmurfin said:

I feel a lot of XP users will be happy staying with xp in the direction they are already going. Time will tell of course but I hope I'm right!

AeroFly and Flight Sim World also have or had hopes and wishes. If you go on Steam right now it doesn't even show anyone flying AeroFly and 50/50 on FSX and XP and all are having a massive firesale. The writing is on the wall as they say.


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