ATC goes silent

[Sims Smith 302]

ATC randomly stops responding.  Even simple "callsign radio check" doesn't work anymore.  The work around is to completely  Exit out of P2A app and restart it.  Then everything works as expected.  I am not finding any pattern that causes this.  

[Patco Lch 1,465]

It's a strike! Where's Reagan? He'll show em.

[Dave-Pilot2ATC 870]

It sounds like you're hitting a program bug that is shutting down ATC or possibly some other glitch.

If you send your P2A log file for a flight where this happens, to me at admin@pilot2atc.com, I will have a look and see if I can figure it out.  

P2A Log files are located in: C:\Users\<UserName>\AppData\Roaming\P2A_200\Logs where <UserName> is your PC user name. 
Portions of the path may be hidden by default, so be sure Windows Explorer has Show Hidden Items checked in the View tab.
Dave

[Sims Smith 302]

Here is the log

Program StartedPilot 2 ATC (P2A) - version 2.6.1.2_x64  08/08/2020 00:12:54
Trying to create DB_Dyno.
DB_Dyno created successfully.
Init 15% done.
Trying to create DB_Base.
DB_Base created successfully.
Application frmP2AMain starting 08/08/2020 00:13:16
Loading Form
Main form opened: Pilot2ATC 2018 v. 2.6.1.2_x64      Navigraph - AIRAC cycle: 1909
Loading Joystick Devices - 6 devices loaded.
Loading Joystick Devices - 6 devices loaded.
Loading Joystick Devices - 6 devices loaded.
Loading Joystick Devices - 6 devices loaded.
Loading Map Control
LoadMapControl: panel 1
Creating ucMap1
SQLiteVersion: 3.8.11.1 | 2015-07-29 20:00:57 cf538e2783e468bbc25e7cb2a9ee64d3e0e80b2f | INTEROP_CODEC INTEROP_EXTENSION_FUNCTIONS INTEROP_VIRTUAL_TABLE NET_40 PRELOAD_NATIVE_LIBRARY THROW_ON_DISPOSED TRACE TRACE_PRELOAD TRACE_SHARED TRACE_WARNING USE_PREPARE_V2 WINDOWS
ucMap1 Created
ucMap DockFill set.
Setting Map Mode
Done Loading Map Control
Loading FPL Control
FPL Control Loaded
Retrieving weather from web successful at 08/08/2020 00:13:20
Retrieving TAF from web successful at 08/08/2020 00:13:20
Loading Joystick Devices - 6 devices loaded.
Loading Joystick Devices - 6 devices loaded.
Loading Joystick Devices - 6 devices loaded.
Loading Joystick Devices - 6 devices loaded.
Joystick Device number 3 successfully activated.
Joystick Device number 0 successfully activated.
Joystick Device number 0 successfully activated.
Joystick Device number 0 successfully activated.
Pilot2ATC_2018.exe    Information    0    SAPI does not implement phonetic alphabet selection.       at System.Environment.GetStackTrace(Exception e, Boolean needFileInfo)
   at System.Environment.get_StackTrace()
   at System.Diagnostics.TraceEventCache.get_Callstack()
   at Microsoft.VisualBasic.Logging.FileLogTraceListener.TraceEvent(TraceEventCache eventCache, String source, TraceEventType eventType, Int32 id, String message)
   at System.Diagnostics.TraceInternal.TraceEvent(TraceEventType eventType, Int32 id, String format, Object[] args)
   at System.Speech.Recognition.RecognizerBase.Initialize(SapiRecognizer recognizer, Boolean inproc)
   at System.Speech.Recognition.SpeechRecognitionEngine.get_RecoBase()
   at P2A_2018.ATCListener.LoadPilotGrammar()
   at P2A_2018.ATCListener.Init()
   at P2A_2018.frmP2AMain.c2124c4ff01169d49362f23ceb404afd0()
   at P2A_2018.frmP2AMain.c6da96e2c3dc97ecb14521624b5c07984()
   at P2A_2018.frmP2AMain.c6f50794713ca1994f16f21230b6819d6(Object cb25b07786a6e786dea76cf87175f59f0, EventArgs cb4d4bf05d278f00a41fc902f6c5d26a2)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnClick(EventArgs e)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mevent)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
   at System.Windows.Forms.ButtonBase.WndProc(Message& m)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Button.WndProc(Message& m)
   at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)
   at System.Windows.Forms.UnsafeNativeMethods.DispatchMessageW(MSG& msg)
   at System.Windows.Forms.UnsafeNativeMethods.DispatchMessageW(MSG& msg)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Application.ComponentManager.System.Windows.Forms.UnsafeNativeMethods.IMsoComponentManager.FPushMessageLoop(IntPtr dwComponentID, Int32 reason, Int32 pvLoopData)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Application.ThreadContext.RunMessageLoopInner(Int32 reason, ApplicationContext context)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Application.ThreadContext.RunMessageLoop(Int32 reason, ApplicationContext context)
   at A.c252cec6891d583fd5c5d9f5aa9c65343.c39e4a2c7012e9e0ba9055469c605637a()    ""    15748    1    6555054203947
No controller assigned 00:13:23
SIM Version Num: 8; SIM Version: XP
New Com1 Stby Freq: 132.1
ControllerFreqChanged: 123.8.  CtlrShrtName: PHNOM Ctr CtlrType: Center00:13:24
Sim Connected: 08/08/2020 00:13:24
ATCAssignsSIDs: True
ATCAssignsSTARs: True
ForceSTARAssignment: False
ATCAssignsAPPRs: True
ForcePilotRunwaySelection: True
AutoLoadRecommendedProcedures: True
UseRandomVoices: False
AssignedRunway: RW25 - 
New Com1 Stby Freq: 132.1
Com1StandbyFreqChanged: 132.1.  CtlrShrtName: None Found;  CtlrType: None Found00:13:24
SIM Rate Changed: 1
Com1StandbyFreqChanged: 132.1.  CtlrShrtName: None Found;  CtlrType: None Found00:13:25
InterruptAudio in OnPilotSpeaking 08/08/2020 00:13:33
AudioInterrupts: 1 in InterruptAudio 00:13:33
Started Listening
UnInterruptAudio in OnPilotEndSpeaking 08/08/2020 00:13:35
AudioInterrupts: 0 in UnInterruptAudio 00:13:35
Recognized Speech: SIMS Niner Radio check 00:13:35
Stopped Listening
GetInformationResponse 00:13:35
ControllerChanging: False : 08/08/2020 00:13:35
InterruptAudio in SayPhrase: SIMS Niner You are loud and clear. 08/08/2020 00:13:35
AudioInterrupts: 1 in InterruptAudio 00:13:35
ATC Speak:  SIMS Niner You are loud and clear.00:13:35
Sug Resp:  00:13:35
OnTTSWavePlaybackStopped 08/08/2020 00:13:38
UnInterruptAudio in OnTTSWavePlaybackStopped SugRes: 08/08/2020 00:13:38
AudioInterrupts: 0 in UnInterruptAudio 00:13:38
 GPS FlightPlan Changed - 08/08/2020 00:13:45
NewGPSWpt: BANME
NewGPSWpt: BANME
NewGPSWpt: BANME
NewGPSWpt: BANME
InterruptAudio in OnPilotSpeaking 08/08/2020 00:13:48
AudioInterrupts: 1 in InterruptAudio 00:13:48
Started Listening
UnInterruptAudio in OnPilotEndSpeaking 08/08/2020 00:13:50
AudioInterrupts: 0 in UnInterruptAudio 00:13:50
Recognized Speech: SIMS Niner Ready to Copy 00:13:50
Stopped Listening
Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
   at P2A_2018.Airport.c9444e26f29eda4f140b6480aaa71df2b(ATCController cff0df7af1722ca3c91ea0d5229f39abd)
   at System.Linq.Enumerable.WhereSelectListIterator`2.MoveNext()
   at System.Collections.Generic.List`1..ctor(IEnumerable`1 collection)
   at System.Linq.Enumerable.ToList[TSource](IEnumerable`1 source)
   at P2A_2018.Airport.get_Controllers()
   at P2A_2018.Airport.get_ClearanceDeliveryControllers()
   at P2A_2018.ATC.AssignController(ATCControllerType CtlrType, Airport Apt)
   at P2A_2018.ATC.AssignClearanceDeliveryController(Airport Apt)
   at P2A_2018.Controller.c147faef1bcd580d0a7fc61b69bcb5dc1(String& c10d14a58376e8a5fedf6f0955109c8c6, SpeechInteraction c9408508583fe6860a9cb8bcb2e3c1245, String& c2d61cf92c662496fc273eb7fc03570f3)
   at P2A_2018.Controller.RespondToPilot(SpeechInteraction SI)
   at P2A_2018.ATCListener.HandleRecognizedSpeech(Boolean SpeechEmulated)
   at P2A_2018.ATCListener.c7b7d03cbc0273bf9bce3de3da18fdbed(Object cb25b07786a6e786dea76cf87175f59f0, RecognizeCompletedEventArgs cb4d4bf05d278f00a41fc902f6c5d26a2)
   at System.Speech.Recognition.SpeechRecognitionEngine.RecognizeCompletedProxy(Object sender, RecognizeCompletedEventArgs e)
InterruptAudio in OnPilotSpeaking 08/08/2020 00:14:04
AudioInterrupts: 1 in InterruptAudio 00:14:04
Started Listening
UnInterruptAudio in OnPilotEndSpeaking 08/08/2020 00:14:05
AudioInterrupts: 0 in UnInterruptAudio 00:14:05
Stopped Listening
Simulator Disconnected. 08/08/2020 00:14:17
Loading Joystick Devices - 6 devices loaded.
Loading Joystick Devices - 6 devices loaded.
Loading Joystick Devices - 6 devices loaded.
Loading Joystick Devices - 6 devices loaded.
Joystick Device number 3 successfully activated.
Joystick Device number 0 successfully activated.
Joystick Device number 0 successfully activated.
Joystick Device number 0 successfully activated.
Pilot2ATC_2018.exe    Information    0    SAPI does not implement phonetic alphabet selection.       at System.Environment.GetStackTrace(Exception e, Boolean needFileInfo)
   at System.Environment.get_StackTrace()
   at System.Diagnostics.TraceEventCache.get_Callstack()
   at Microsoft.VisualBasic.Logging.FileLogTraceListener.TraceEvent(TraceEventCache eventCache, String source, TraceEventType eventType, Int32 id, String message)
   at System.Diagnostics.TraceInternal.TraceEvent(TraceEventType eventType, Int32 id, String format, Object[] args)
   at System.Speech.Recognition.RecognizerBase.Initialize(SapiRecognizer recognizer, Boolean inproc)
   at System.Speech.Recognition.SpeechRecognitionEngine.get_RecoBase()
   at P2A_2018.ATCListener.LoadPilotGrammar()
   at P2A_2018.ATCListener.Init()
   at P2A_2018.frmP2AMain.c2124c4ff01169d49362f23ceb404afd0()
   at P2A_2018.frmP2AMain.c6da96e2c3dc97ecb14521624b5c07984()
   at P2A_2018.frmP2AMain.c6f50794713ca1994f16f21230b6819d6(Object cb25b07786a6e786dea76cf87175f59f0, EventArgs cb4d4bf05d278f00a41fc902f6c5d26a2)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnClick(EventArgs e)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mevent)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
   at System.Windows.Forms.ButtonBase.WndProc(Message& m)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Button.WndProc(Message& m)
   at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)
   at System.Windows.Forms.UnsafeNativeMethods.DispatchMessageW(MSG& msg)
   at System.Windows.Forms.UnsafeNativeMethods.DispatchMessageW(MSG& msg)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Application.ComponentManager.System.Windows.Forms.UnsafeNativeMethods.IMsoComponentManager.FPushMessageLoop(IntPtr dwComponentID, Int32 reason, Int32 pvLoopData)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Application.ThreadContext.RunMessageLoopInner(Int32 reason, ApplicationContext context)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Application.ThreadContext.RunMessageLoop(Int32 reason, ApplicationContext context)
   at A.c252cec6891d583fd5c5d9f5aa9c65343.c39e4a2c7012e9e0ba9055469c605637a()    ""    15748    1    6555645374249
No controller assigned 00:14:22
ControllerFreqChanged: 123.8.  CtlrShrtName: PHNOM Ctr CtlrType: Center00:14:22
Sim Connected: 08/08/2020 00:14:22
ATCAssignsSIDs: True
ATCAssignsSTARs: True
ForceSTARAssignment: False
ATCAssignsAPPRs: True
ForcePilotRunwaySelection: True
AutoLoadRecommendedProcedures: True
UseRandomVoices: False
SetUpIFRDepartureOperations- RequesteRWName: 
AssignedRunway: RW25 - 
SIM Version Num: 8; SIM Version: XP
New Com1 Stby Freq: 132.1
Com1StandbyFreqChanged: 132.1.  CtlrShrtName: None Found;  CtlrType: None Found00:14:23
New Com2 Stby Freq: 121.5
Com2StandbyFreqChanged: 121.5.  CtlrShrtName: None Found;  CtlrType: None Found00:14:23
New Com1 Stby Freq: 132.1
Com1StandbyFreqChanged: 132.1.  CtlrShrtName: None Found;  CtlrType: None Found00:14:23
New Com2 Stby Freq: 121.5
Com2StandbyFreqChanged: 121.5.  CtlrShrtName: None Found;  CtlrType: None Found00:14:23
SIM Rate Changed: 1
InterruptAudio in OnPilotSpeaking 08/08/2020 00:14:25
AudioInterrupts: 1 in InterruptAudio 00:14:25
Started Listening
UnInterruptAudio in OnPilotEndSpeaking 08/08/2020 00:14:27
AudioInterrupts: 0 in UnInterruptAudio 00:14:27
Stopped Listening
SIM Rate Changed: 0
 

[Dave-Pilot2ATC 870]

It appears you did not file a flight plan before calling the Center controller for clearance.  That seems to be what led to the error.

What airport were you at?

Dave

Edited August 9, 2020 by Dave-Pilot2ATC

[Sims Smith 302]

I can't remember if I did or not.  Today was the worse day.   A lot of voice module crash in VNKT and surrounding area after I file a plan. 

I think it would be better if you can provide us with a button "Report and Upload logs" in the P2A client and will it upload the flight plan, current location, log files and other debug info to a S3/Google drive that you can collect and analyze.  

Here is the flight plan that crashed mid flight.

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<SerializableFltPlan xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance">
  <SerializedSTARPlan>
    <AirportIdentifier>VNKT</AirportIdentifier>
    <Name>ROMEO</Name>
    <RunwayName>RW20</RunwayName>
    <EnrouteTransitionName>ROMEO</EnrouteTransitionName>
    <RunwayTransitionSTARId>0</RunwayTransitionSTARId>
    <CommonRouteSTARId>34894</CommonRouteSTARId>
    <EnrouteTransitionSTARId>0</EnrouteTransitionSTARId>
    <ActiveWaypoints />
  </SerializedSTARPlan>
  <SerializedAPPRPlan>
    <AirportIdentifier>VNKT</AirportIdentifier>
    <Name>R02</Name>
    <Type>RNAV</Type>
    <RunwayName>RW02</RunwayName>
    <ActiveWaypoints />
    <ApproachTransitionName>RATAN</ApproachTransitionName>
  </SerializedAPPRPlan>
  <DepartureAirportICAOCode>VNKG</DepartureAirportICAOCode>
  <DestinationAirportICAOCode>VNKT</DestinationAirportICAOCode>
  <CruiseAltitude>20000</CruiseAltitude>
  <DescentRate>1200</DescentRate>
  <TODDistance>47.9107666</TODDistance>
  <ActiveRouteWpts />
  <PlanETESeconds>2360.4</PlanETESeconds>
  <PlanGrndSpeed>200</PlanGrndSpeed>
  <PlanDistance>133.213837</PlanDistance>
  <Name>VNKG-VNKT</Name>
  <Type>IFR</Type>
</SerializableFltPlan> 

 

[snomhf 14]

Apparently I'm not the only one.   Worst P2A experience I've ever had today.  

[Dave-Pilot2ATC 870]

Mark,

Thanks for the log file you emailed.  In order for an IFR flight to work, you must:

• File an IFR flight plan
• Begin the flight from the Departure airport of the flight plan

If you are trying to recover mid-flight from a crash, you must:

• File an IFR Flight Plan
• Be physically established on the route of the filed flight plan
• Make an initial call to Departure, Center or Approach 

In your case, it looks like you started in mid flight near KLAS  tower, did not file a flight plan and started by telling tower you were inbound for an RNAV approach.  Since you didn't have an IFR flight plan filed, tower assumed you were flying VFR and told you to squawk 1200.

If you had asked for radar vectors to the RNAV approach to runway 19R, the program might have been able to figure out what you wanted and start giving vectors for the approach. 

 

[snomhf 14]

Thanks Dave,

Yes, I was VFR, no flight plan.  I've done this many times before and it usually works.  This is what I typically say:

Inbound at 5,800, RNAV Approach, Runway 19R

I think that always works (except last night).

So, you are saying I should use this phrase:

Inbound at 5,800, Request Radar Vectors for RNAV Approach, Runway 19R

Right?  

I was having so many other problems with P2A at this point that I was just trying things.   

BTW, one of the problems I forgot to mention to you was, in addition to no sectional,  my frequencies window had only a Center Controller,  no KLAS tower or any of the other frequencies I normally see.   I am using Beta 17 but have used it without P2A problems until last night.   This sudden trouble is what made me think it was a network/server problem.   If I was having a network problem, that would affect the sectional,  Terps, and maybe frequencies too?   All I know is,  P2A had been working pretty well (Beta17) until last night.   Haven't tested today yet.

Thanks for the help!