Popping Texture Morphing

[RALF9636 1,920]

There is a quite prominent popping texture morphing in this video while he is cruising over Seattle, in particular when approaching Boeing Field (starting around 8:00).

 

Since I haven't noticed this issue so prominently in other videos I wonder where this comes from.

- Is this issue bounded to photogrammetry areas or does it happen outside these areas as well?

- Is there a graphic setting to avoid this issue (LOD-distance or similar)?

- Is it an issue with a slow bandwidth?

- Can it be avoided by caching the area?

 

Actually to me this popping morphing is very annoying. One of the pet peeves of P3D for me and I'm quite concerned to see this in MSFS as well now. I do still hope though that it can be at least minimized in some way.

 

[David Mills 4,743]

The scenery is currently being updated pretty much 24/7 at the moment. My own home airport never looks the same twice. But these change-on-the-fly issues will soon settle down. Caching does indeed resolve this problem, which, trust me, won't really be a problem at all.

[Kopteeni 819]

8 minutes ago, RALF9636 said:

Is this issue bounded to photogrammetry areas or does it happen outside these areas as well?

It is more prominent in photogrammetry areas but happens more or less in other areas as well. Based on the many many youtube clips I've watched graphics settings play a big role in how visible it is especially in autogen areas.

[bonchie 2,305]

It's much more prominent in photogrammetry areas.

But like all sims, it can happen anywhere, especially if your computer gets behind the eight ball.

Edited August 4, 2020 by bonchie

[UAL4life 237]

The one thing I wanted gone in P3D... drat. 

[YVRLHRDXB 321]

Bizarre settings. He has everything on ultra but terrain level of detail and objects level of detail on basically 50%. This makes no sense whatsoever because if you're at ultra putting both of those settings to full will not impact your FPS. I have everything on ultra with both level of details at full and I don't get random popping.

[bonchie 2,305]

2 minutes ago, YVRDXBLHR said:

Bizarre settings. He has everything on ultra but terrain level of detail and objects level of detail on basically 50%. This makes no sense whatsoever because if you're at ultra putting both of those settings to full will not impact your FPS. I have everything on ultra with both level of details at full and I don't get random popping.

True. If you max out those other settings, pop-in happens further from the airplane and it's less noticeable.

[bonchie 2,305]

This video shows some of the texture morphing and pop-in.

On ultra, it's almost non-existent or is so far in the distance you don't really see it. On low, it's really bad and close in. Like all things in life, nothing is free.

Edited August 4, 2020 by bonchie

[snglecoil 1,828]

Wow, that ObsidianAnt video was a really good comparison. Clearly shows the difference between the broad settings. I have played with those settings in the alpha/beta, but wasn't sure exactly how extensively the levels impacted the overall scene. That slow wipe in that he did in the NYC scene was the clearest example that I have seen.

And again, kudos to the Asobo team for making this sim scalable across a breadth of system specs.

Edited August 4, 2020 by snglecoil

[RALF9636 1,920]

12 minutes ago, bonchie said:

This video shows some of the texture morphing and pop-in.

On ultra, it's almost non-existent or is so far in the distance you don't really see it. On low, it's really bad and close in. Like all things in life, nothing is free.

That's reassuring indeed. I wonder which setting is the crucial one to avoid the pop-ins. So even if I won't be able to set everything to ultra I can trade in something else for the setting that avoids the pop-ins. Probably Terrain Level of Detail and Objects Level of Detail?

In this context I also wonder what the settings for Buidlings, Trees, Grass and Bushes do. Do they control the density of these objects (as it is in P3D) or the texture quality of each object and also the LOD for these objects (it seems the latter from the above video).

 

[Wewk584 137]

Catstrator right after the broadcaster event earlier this year said its basically like flying through google earth.. And it kind of is.. that morphing happens with google earth also.. I dont really mind it (im probably going to be running the sim at about the mid maybe high range so i might see some.)  Its in even the earliest 2019 pre-alpha videos from last year so shouldn't be surprising anyone . But yeah.. higher settings seem to settle it down quite a bit.

 

[Alvega 2,119]

 

Less than high is not worth it for me. If my PC can't do high, I will have to upgrade.

[bonchie 2,305]

5 minutes ago, Alvega said:

 

Less than high is not worth it for me. If my PC can't do high, I will have to upgrade.

It's the right time anyway with the new RTX 3000 cards coming out with the new architecture. Nvidia probably won't significantly change things for another 5-6 years. There will be 4000 series cards, but they won't be the generational leap we are about to get.

I'm gonna see what the RTX 3070/3080 have to offer. At worst, the prices on 2070 and 2080 Supers should drop.

Right now, I still have my trusty old GTX 970. She's just about ready to retire.

Edited August 5, 2020 by bonchie

[Alvega 2,119]

4 minutes ago, bonchie said:

It's the right time anyway with the new RTX 3000 cards coming out with the new architecture. Nvidia probably won't significantly change things for another 5-6 years. There will be 4000 series cards, but they won't be the generational leap we are about to get.

I'm gonna see what the RTX 3070/3080 have to offer. At worst, the prices on 2070 and 2080 Supers should drop.

Right now, I still have my trusty old GTX 970. She's just about ready to retire.

 

I have an I7 4790K with 16GB RAM and GTX 1660 Super. I doubt I can do high settings with that, but will see.