For years now we've had many triple A gaming titles getting rushed through production in order to meet release dates. Often this would mean the game releases in a terrible state, filled with various game-breaking bugs and annoyances that could have been solved if the developers had more time. 

Examples of such releases are games like Battlefield 5, Horizon Zero Dawn on PC, No Man's Sky.. etc. 

Before you say "oh FS2020 is a simulator, it shouldn't be compared to those traditional gaming titles". I strongly disagree, FS2020 is still a game first and foremost. 

The launch of FS2020 is the epitome of this issue. It's quite clear that despite all the Alpha and Beta testing, the developers did not have the time and space needed to ensure that the sim reached a point actually worthy of release. 

A flight simulator with broken flight dynamics, broken camera views, buggy displays.. the list goes on. If Asobo can't even get these things nailed, then FS2020 is not a simulator, at best it's just a re-hash of Microsoft Flight, the classic arcade game which ultimately crashed and burned. 

Many will argue that the releases of FSX and P3D weren't perfect either. But let it be known that those releases were MUCH MORE polished than the current state of FS2020.

FS2020 was released in a much more broken state than any of it's predecessors, let's make that clear. 

 

 

 

Edited August 19, 20205 yr by maniamcool

I blame Microsoft for sure. I think we were all surprised when the release date was announced. At least I was expecting a Oct/Nov release. I have trust Asobo will keep going strong and get it where they want.

I think we can expect frequent updates.

3 minutes ago, reignman40 said:

I blame Microsoft for sure. I think we were all surprised when the release date was announced. At least I was expecting a Oct/Nov release. I have trust Asobo will keep going strong and get it where they want.

Oct/Nov is still pushing it. 

FS2020 probably needs another year or 2 to properly iron out the fundamental issues with flight dynamics since it's clear that the current model is completely broken. 

 

This is one of the worst assessments I have ever read in this forum. A re-hash of MS Flight? Could you just have written this at the beginning so that I would not have to read your whole post?

11 minutes ago, GCBraun said:

This is one of the worst assessments I have ever read in this forum. A re-hash of MS Flight? Could you just have written this at the beginning so that I would not have to read your whole post?

No, this assessment is pretty spot on. Several of the games core functions are either broken or non functional. Content that was hyped up all through the dev cycle is completely borked and broken. Flight physics are GARBAGE (1200hrs between a TBM and a PC12) an infrastructure that is tempermental at best and nonexistent at worst, and a social media community that is quick to find naysayers and works to silence them.

This release is quickly turning into a fiasco and unless some serious explanations are made, MS better not look at a flight sim franchise again.

Its not MS flight at all as fs2020 this will last for the long haul, but there are some issues needs addressing by the developer.  I rated it bad because I have trim wheel and yoke you should at least stabilize the plane. In addition, interface need simplification like X Plane where you can test out each button and control surface in cockpit mode to make sure it working correctly. If those issues are fixed would change my rating for the product to positive and alot of us knew full well it was not going to be polished product. FSX when it came out had some bad issuses as well you needed super machine to run it with MSFS 2020 at least midrange will get decent results.  The photogramtry i liked it, but turn it off as my internet could not handle it at all.

4 minutes ago, Mr. Hatty said:

(1200hrs between a TBM and a PC12)

OMG!  Stop the presses!

Guess what... the circuit breakers don't work either.  Why is no one complaining about the circuit breakers!??  I DEMAND WORKING CIRCUIT BREAKERS!! <pant pant drool>

And a study level ornithopter in the default aircraft.  A2A quality at least.  PMDG systems depth if they can manage it.

Funny thing that.  I just jumped into the Cessna 152 and went flying.  And enjoyed it.  It felt just like the 150 I took lessons in many years ago.  Later flew it over some of the most incredible scenery you could ever imagine, and all in the default scenery.  Discovered something magical.  

And the whole time I didn't give a rat's hiney about the non-working circuit breakers.  I know!  Maybe I didn't care about... realism!

Hook

2 minutes ago, LHookins said:

OMG!  Stop the presses!

Guess what... the circuit breakers don't work either.  Why is no one complaining about the circuit breakers!??  I DEMAND WORKING CIRCUIT BREAKERS!! <pant pant drool>

And a study level ornithopter in the default aircraft.  A2A quality at least.  PMDG systems depth if they can manage it.

Funny thing that.  I just jumped into the Cessna 152 and went flying.  And enjoyed it.  It felt just like the 150 I took lessons in many years ago.  Later flew it over some of the most incredible scenery you could ever imagine, and all in the default scenery.  Discovered something magical.  

And the whole time I didn't give a rat's hiney about the non-working circuit breakers.  I know!  Maybe I didn't care about... realism!

Hook

Oooh. Scathing. I'm not asking for study level. I'm asking for something that isn't garbage. Maybe in 6-12 months after who knows how many patches or service packs the game will be actually worth the hype and the Game Pass subscription. Until then, have fun in your sandbox kids.

32 minutes ago, maniamcool said:

FS2020 probably needs another year or 2 to properly iron out the fundamental issues with flight dynamics since it's clear that the current model is completely broken. 

 

How is that clear? What are you basing this on?

2 minutes ago, Mr. Hatty said:

Until then, have fun in your sandbox kids.

Darn right we will! 😄 

Did you find your house?  I promise not to empty my honey bucket over it.

However, I do agree that another year would have produced something that would rival the best games ever produced.  In the mean time, we'll be flying it.  And loving it.  Mostly. 😄 

Hook

4 minutes ago, Mr. Hatty said:

I'm asking for something that isn't garbage.

Broad statement with no actual fact. There are many many pilots who have commented on the overall feel of flying GA aircraft being spot on.

12 minutes ago, LHookins said:

Maybe I didn't care about... realism!

Hook

Hook, there's no way this is close to realism! Last night, I was looking out at the wing view in the 787 and asked for a beer from the in-house flight attendant. An hour later, I had to go to the kitchen/galley and fetch it myself. Oh wait... that is reality!!

8 minutes ago, Slides said:

There are many many pilots who have commented on the overall feel of flying GA aircraft being spot on.

The real world pilots in the Beta were a lot more forgiving of the flight model than the simmers.  I won't speculate on why this was so but I'll take their word for it.

Hook

59 minutes ago, maniamcool said:

For years now we've had many triple A gaming titles getting rushed through production in order to meet release dates. Often this would mean the game releases in a terrible state, filled with various game-breaking bugs and annoyances that could have been solved if the developers had more time. 

Examples of such releases are games like Battlefield 5, Horizon Zero Dawn on PC, No Man's Sky.. etc. 

Before you say "oh FS2020 is a simulator, it shouldn't be compared to those traditional gaming titles". I strongly disagree, FS2020 is still a game first and foremost. 

The launch of FS2020 is the epitome of this issue. It's quite clear that despite all the Alpha and Beta testing, the developers did not have the time and space needed to ensure that the sim reached a point actually worthy of release. 

A flight simulator with broken flight dynamics, broken camera views, buggy displays.. the list goes on. If Asobo can't even get these things nailed, then FS2020 is not a simulator, at best it's just a re-hash of Microsoft Flight, the classic arcade game which ultimately crashed and burned. 

Many will argue that the releases of FSX and P3D weren't perfect either. But let it be known that those releases were MUCH MORE polished than the current state of FS2020.

FS2020 was released in a much more broken state than any of it's predecessors, let's make that clear. 

 

 

 

You don't need to be a wizard to understand that obviously MSFS was rushed. Asobo is developer and Microsoft is an investor. My personal opinion that due to COVID-19 economy downtime, recession decision was made to push game out of the gate as is.  So we have this or have nothing