8 minutes ago, kingm56 said:

So...you prefer to remain word not allowed on the subject?  If true, whey do feel compelled to state opinion as fact when you clearly have no desire to educate yourself on the subject matter?  

I have reached a level of Ignorance that I am comfortable with. In my world my opinions are just as much fact as yours. 

33 minutes ago, B777ER said:

There scenery is often littered with bad optimization and needing many patches. They make their money I'm sure if reselling similar to Simmarket. Aerosoft IMO was always second rate and frankly, don't care about him or his company.

I tend to agree. I used to purchase add-on scenery trough AS in the past, but they had so many issues related to bad performance, faulty installers and lack of support that I decided not to purchase any new scenery from them again.

Additionally we can say that their A330 and CRJ were not successful even after being too many years under development. If AS blame on P3D for their lack of success, good, they can do it, but not for a good reason.

Cheers, Ed

 

Edited September 13, 20205 yr by edpatino

6 minutes ago, shivers9 said:

Here is the test to solve the whole debate. If there was never even one more "fix" for Prepar3d, I could probably use it for the next 5 years and never get bored.

The test...Can you say that about MS2020? Just Yes or NO?

Absolutely! Very happy flying the steam-gauge planes with amazing clouds/scenery all over the world. 

If EA gets fixed, I would also say the same of P3D.

13 minutes ago, kingm56 said:

Does anyone actually navigate to the forum via headers?  I doubt they do; instead, I suggest the majority clicks a link on the front page without regard to the subject location.

I simply don't understand why some simmers are salty about progress...

No I think the majority do not go in that way. And I give our users credit. Most can look up and realize which forum they are in. It’s really just bad manners to blast another sim in its home forum. Also makes those doing it lacking. Regarding your salty comment. I’ve had numerous comments on here expressing my excitement about the future. But that doesn’t mean I think it’s ready yet. I’ve always said in a year or two good chance msfs ends up my platform. But as somebody who does vatsim airline flying we aren’t there yet. My setup is far from stock P3d. So it’s not as easy for msfs to beat that. 

1 minute ago, GCBraun said:

Absolutely! Very happy flying the steam-gauge planes with amazing clouds/scenery all over the world. 

If EA gets fixed, I would also say the same of P3D.

Some msfs l clouds look fantastic and better than anything. Some look absolutely terrible. Namely the volcanic looking grey cumulus. Or the lack of whispy cirrus clouds 

12 minutes ago, kingm56 said:

So, he's a liar?  The pictures located on their forum are fake?  Is the Majestic Dash 8 a lite aircraft?  The PMDG 747 seems to work fine in P3D V4....  

Did you read what I wrote ? The SDK is not ready to support complex ac ( source AS Mathijs Kok ). AS is helping Asobo with the SDK and has stated that it takes at least 4 months.

Converting ac models MSFS models can be done and you can fly with basic controls.

That is totally different from using all complex systems ...

So before jumping of your chair : calm down and read again.. 

4 minutes ago, GSalden said:

Did you read what I wrote ? The SDK is not ready to support complex ac ( source AS Mathijs Kok ). AS is helping Asobo with the SDK and has stated that it takes at least 4 months.

Converting ac models MSFS models can be done and you can fly with basic controls.

That is totally different from using all complex systems ...

So before jumping of your chair : calm down and read again.. 

Right and some developers are stating their products will be available in 2021 Q1 while others are stating years; its obvious some are further along than others.  I suggest we withhold judgement until the aircraft are released; then again, we hear this argument with every simulator release and every time the developers makes it work...

16 minutes ago, micstatic said:

Some msfs l clouds look fantastic and better than anything. Some look absolutely terrible. Namely the volcanic looking grey cumulus. Or the lack of whispy cirrus clouds 

There is no perfect sim. For me, the results are much, much better than anything else we currently have available on P3D/XP11.

Edited September 13, 20205 yr by GCBraun

55 minutes ago, Chock said:

 

And just as you can say you will not buy their products, nor do they owe you anything; it's not a personal sleight against you. I lost my job in aviation because of the current pandemic, but I don't take it as some kind of personal attack on me by my former employer, they made a business decision based on the situation they found themselves in, and they don't owe me a living. That's what Aerosoft are doing too, and they won't be alone.

Sorry to hear the news about losing your job Chock, I also work in the aerospace industry (RR) luckily my factory is doing OK at the minute but other RR factories are closing. It's dog eat dog in the aerospace industry at this moment in time, there's other RR factories wanting our work if we fail with the inload of work we have gained from elsewhere, god knows what the future holds

19 minutes ago, micstatic said:

No I think the majority do not go in that way. And I give our users credit. Most can look up and realize which forum they are in. It’s really just bad manners to blast another sim in its home forum. Also makes those doing it lacking. Regarding your salty comment. I’ve had numerous comments on here expressing my excitement about the future. But that doesn’t mean I think it’s ready yet. I’ve always said in a year or two good chance msfs ends up my platform. But as somebody who does vatsim airline flying we aren’t there yet. My setup is far from stock P3d. So it’s not as easy for msfs to beat that. 

Did you read the OP?  It's explicitly related to the divestiture of P3D; thus, the narrative/posts will reflect said topic.  Some will view the divestiture as a natural evaluation that was predicted weeks/months ago, while others will view it as premature.  Nothing wrong with either perspective; however, to suggest everyone should assume the latter position to demonstrate 'good manners' is just absurd.  This isn't your 'house', it's an internet message board designed to exchange ideas; disagreements and discussions should be viewed as positives... 

Edited September 13, 20205 yr by kingm56

Well I am a hardcore complex systems aircraft fan.   Flying in MSFS is truly spectacular visually, but I am missing my high fidelity aircraft alot, so I hopped on over to P3D, and have to say it now feels very old cartoonish looking unless you have high quality payware absolutely everywhere.   And I dont find the lighting and clouds anywhere near as good as MSFS most times.   I think the writing is on the wall.   MSFS will be the go to sim for many including hardcore when those aircraft get moved over.   You can be sure Asobo and MS will accommodate that market too because thats what will drive it forward into the future, not casual xbox players. Just look at the freeware addons coming on display now fixing scenery issues, enhancing default aircraft, and some other utilities. We are only a month in!   P3D had its time, and it was a good run. Its still running for now, but everytime I go back to P3D I feel like im simming in 2010 relative to MSFS.   The WX, aircraft flight dynamics, and scenery issues in MSFS will for sure get worked out sooner than later. You dont spend a few hundred of million on this infrastructure only to let it slide for just casual players who lose interest in a few months.   

As for Aerosoft, pretty sure they are just going by the sales numbers.  But its not necessarily because P3D players have moved over completely. I havnt, as Im flying both sims, but havnt bought an addon in months to see where the dust is settling.  P3D will be deleted once PMDG, FSL, and the like provide my craving for complex systems aircraft.  Thank you to LM for providing life to flight simulation when we all thought things were dire when Flight collapsed and not much on the horizon about 8 years ago. 

Just now, kingm56 said:

Did you read the OP?  It's explicitly related to the divestiture of P3D; thus, the narrative/posts will reflect said topic.  Some will view the divestture as a natural evaluation that was predicted weeks/months ago, while others will view it as premature.  Nothing wrong with either perspective; however, to suggest everyone should assume the latter position to demonstrate 'good manners' is just absurd.  This isn't your 'house', it's an internet message board designed to exchange ideas; disagreements and discussions should be viewed as posties... 

Yet here you are in a P3d forum. Your curiosity is interesting to say the least 

2 minutes ago, micstatic said:

Yet here you are in a P3d forum. Your curiosity is interesting to say the least 

More austerity from you, sir; it doesn't matter where the topic is located as long as opinions expressed are inline with the topic.  Again, this isn't your house....

Edited September 13, 20205 yr by kingm56

24 minutes ago, GCBraun said:

There is no perfect sim. For me, the results are much, much better than anything else we currently have available on P3D/XP11.

The atmospherics are nice in MSFS. It's one of the few features that Asobo promised and delivered correctly. However, I've yet to read publicly how they did it. Asobo seems willing to share publicly all the other partnerships that they obtained (meteoBlue😑, BlackShark AI🙂 and NavBlue😣) Did they use an existing atmospherics package or develop it from scratch? From what I can tell (or should I say am allowed to tell) it doesn't appear to be 100% original work. LM will get there soon enough with trueSky as the limitations in P3d5 were self-imposed by LM to maintain performance. As an user of the trueSky SDK, I can say that it is possible to duplicate everything that Asobo has done in MSFS and maybe more, depending on how much effort that LM wants to put into the P3d5 PDK. The good news is that both MSFS and P3d5 have effect-based clouds and 3D trees and the inclusion of both those features puts them ahead of the rest of the flightsim field.

Edited September 13, 20205 yr by jabloomf1230

Mathijs says...... We are not major fans of V5 at this moment and commercially P3D has flatlined.

For Aerosoft, commercially maybe, However, it must be remembered that P3D is NOT an entertainment product, as MSFS is. 

I'm sure that Redbírd is doing very well, commercially, with their training products based on P3D.Aerosoft is selling add-on entertainment products to a sector of P3D users and, I'm sure, that, if Aerosoft quality is not up to their standard, Aerosoft add-on sales will flatline! Aerosoft, dont blame the sim, blame your add-ons!