7 hours ago, Dreamflight767 said:

Like said above, I believe Aerosoft is heavily involved with FS2020.  Naturally, they will want to push that platform.   Their products are also better suited for the “new” FS2020 user who don’t need/want/or understand in-depth add-ons.  

Their P3D sales flatlined because their (“professional” airplane) products suck and stand no chance against some competing DEV.

 

Lol, really? They "suck"..? Ok Orville.,.

they stand no chance against some competing dev? I'll bet you my last dollar AS sales numbers have quite a good ratio over "competing dev", based on price and target alone...

But, whatever..

5 minutes ago, Chapstick said:

Usual P3Defenders getting tilted in this thread. Maybe Lockheed should make a better product? 4 out of 10 flights end in a CTD because of the SimConnect window bug. Why would I keep buying add ons for it?

Many people are here to help you fix your settings that are causing you problems. Your 40 percent crash to desktop ratio suggests your doing something wrong 

I use gsx every flight and possibly I’d say I have the issue 1 out of 50. 

Edited September 13, 20205 yr by micstatic

3 hours ago, Wobbie said:

However, it must be remembered that P3D is NOT an entertainment product, as MSFS is. 

 

I'm sure you'd like to think that, as many folks who would like to somehow justify their investments in other platforms...
 

let's talk later along the line, shall we..

3 minutes ago, micstatic said:

Totally wrong again. Vatsim has an absolute mega boost right around the start of Covid but before msfs. Look it up. 

Correct, then MSFS was released and it became a ghost town; suddenly, the MSFS HF was released and we started to see massive spikes on VATSIM, FSEconemy and OnAir Company. This sim is good for all of us. 
 

 

7 minutes ago, micstatic said:

36 minutes ago, kingm56 said:

Simmarket is a broker; they simply provide a platform for others to sell their product and take a 25%/30% cut. They do not distribute, market, or provide support for any product. Their developer efforts end at helping with the installer. To that point, they are completely platform agnostic. In short, you’re making an apples-to-Jeep comparison.

Why do you think MS made a distribution deal with Aerosoft?  It’s because they have the capital, infrastructure, and customer base to execute the mass distribution required for a major game release. It’s also why PMDG and many others rely exclusively on Aerosoft to distribute their products. Nobody else operates in that capacity.
 
Finally, I never stated P3D is dead; however, you would be a fool not to acknowledge their position in the market is extremely compromised. Consequently, future aircraft production is in serious jeopardy.  I doubt PMDG, Aerosoft or others will start a clean sheet design for P3D again.  I don’t see anyone disagreeing with that assertion; 

Anecdotally, if you fly on VATSIM, you can surmise that P3D is declining. That place was an absolute ghost town until Asabo released the patch to correct simconnect; suddenly with vPilot fixed, that place lit up again. Again, it’s not a hard data point but it’s certainly worth discussing.

Most of Aerosoft's products are also distribution of someone else's work.  And yes, Simmarket does indeed market products...I get their e-mails regularly, and their website home page is always flying sale banners for products.

P3D's position in the market...well, the position of P3D addons (not P3D itself) in the market has indeed been compromised...that's to be expected when a huge company like M$ shows up saying that they're gonna bring the big guns in to revolutionize the sim universe.  But...they have NOT, so far, revolutionized the sim universe.  They incorporated some nifty graphical techniques, yes, but there is SO much lacking still that they in no way get to take credit for all the things yet unseen.

PMDG branched into XPlane 10 with their DC-6 simulation, and quickly discovered that the XP ecosystem was a real hot mess to keep up with.  They just as quickly backed away and abandoned development for that platform.  I think the odds are pretty good that PMDG and some other advanced add-on makers are going to be (are already?) beating their heads against the wall behind the scenes with an undeveloped SDK, and they have yet to deal with the problems that will come with gradualism--the release of small updates over time that may well break things over and over just as XPlane's gradual releases have done.  I think writing them off w/r/t development for the very stable P3D platform is massively premature.

Again, with VATSIM, everyone was waiting for the Holy Grail of MSFS to emerge from the mist.  Emerge it did, but the Holy Grail we got was the the Monty Python version, with King Richard on his broomstick horse...but HOLY COW it's a REALLY PRETTY broomstick horse.  Clip clop, clip clop...

@kingm56  Honestly dude.  The US has been lit up for a a large chunk of this year.  Covid increased that.  Yes when MSFS first came out people were tinkering around with it.  I know I was.  Then the numbers started to come back.  And yes to your point they increased when MSFS simconnect came out.  But don't try to sit here and paint the picture vatsim was struggling and was then saved by MSFS.  I've been using VATSIM for over 10 years.  It was growing in a major way prior to msfs

2 minutes ago, micstatic said:

@kingm56  Honestly dude.  The US has been lit up for a a large chunk of this year.  Covid increased that.  Yes when MSFS first came out people were tinkering around with it.  I know I was.  Then the numbers started to come back.  And yes to your point they increased when MSFS simconnect came out.  But don't try to sit here and paint the picture vatsim was struggling and was then saved by MSFS.  I've been using VATSIM for over 10 years.  It was growing in a major way prior to msfs

I never painted that picture; in fact, I also stated it wasn’t a hard data point. However, you’re conflating the facts. Yes, VATSIM was flourishing during the height of Covid; however, as we began to return to work, the connections were returning to normal. When MSFS was released, they flatlined; then when the HF was released, the connection exploded again. This suggest simmers would rather fly offline in MSFS than online via P3D. Moreover, the 1200 connection strings was achieved when 50% of the world populace was not mandated to stay at home. If you fly on Vatsim, you know what I’m saying is accurate. 

22 minutes ago, Chapstick said:

Usual P3Defenders getting tilted in this thread. Maybe Lockheed should make a better product? 4 out of 10 flights end in a CTD because of the SimConnect window bug. Why would I keep buying add ons for it?

It’s a P3D forum , buddy. Those of us who fly the sim and like it are going to defend it.

You’re one of the most prominent of the people who are always posting negative things about the sim. If you dislike it so much, why are you here?? 

25 minutes ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

I guess you didn't try to use SimConnect with MSFS then?   It would either not work, CTD, or drop FPS by 75%.  MSFS released and update to fix it ... so why did you buy MSFS then?  So who's exactly doing the defending - you? 😉

Even post-update, FSUIPC7 is experiencing repeated MSFS Simconnect disconnects because the default MSFS aircraft are flooding Simconnect with commands to the point where it stops interacting.  Pete Dowson is up for probably his 26th nomination for a Nobel Peace Prize just trying to deal with it.  And with Simconnect that fragile, how are advanced add-on acft going to interface dozens of complex system interactions with the sim?

33 minutes ago, kingm56 said:

It’s also why PMDG and many others rely exclusively on Aerosoft to distribute their products. Nobody else operates in that capacity.

For a guy who’s so quick to tell others they don’t know what they’re talking about - you really don’t have a clue! It’s not just this ridiculous statement, there’s plenty of other nonsense in your other posts too.

You’ve now made a massive number of posts trashing the sim that this sub is dedicated to. It’s pretty basic etiquette anywhere on the web that you don’t turn up on an enthusiast forum and tell the people there that their hobby/interest is rubbish.

There’s a perfectly good MSFS forum on Avsim, I’m sure that someone over there will be interested in you ill-informed anti-Prepar3d rants!

3 minutes ago, OzWhitey said:

For a guy who’s so quick to tell others they don’t know what they’re talking about - you really don’t have a clue! It’s not just this ridiculous statement, there’s plenty of other nonsense in your other posts too.

You’ve now made a massive number of posts trashing the sim that this sub is dedicated to. It’s pretty basic etiquette anywhere on the web that you don’t turn up on an enthusiast forum and tell the people there that their hobby/interest is rubbish.

There’s a perfectly good MSFS forum on Avsim, I’m sure that someone over there will be interested in you ill-informed anti-Prepar3d rants!

Please tell me where I err. Moreover, I never tell anyone they don’t know what their talking about without providing substances points. Is it too much to expect the same from you? Nothing I’ve stated is inaccurate. 

Edited September 13, 20205 yr by kingm56

Just now, kingm56 said:

Please tell me where I err.

Not worth the time, but ok - quickly - saying Aerosoft is the exclusive distributor of PMDG products is insane. But theres also a dozen other errors or misrepresentations in your posts.

The big issue, though, is that you’re here to stir up trouble. I - likevsome others here - have been stupid enough to engage, Done now. Please go back to the MSFS forum, if you decide to start flying P3D in the future then that would be the appropriate time to return.

Bye!

6 minutes ago, kingm56 said:

Please tell me where I err.

PMDG does not rely exclusively on Aerosoft to distribute its products.  PMDG mostly distributes its own products via downloads from their own servers, with Aerosoft handling a small niche of DVD sales.

At any rate, this has become another "TASTES GREAT!"  "LESS FILLING!" food fight.  Time to put the fire hose on it.