Just forget that I mentioned "hard core" simmers, and just stick with simmers as opposed to gamers. I hope it will not inspire a debate on the semantics of gamers vs simmers... 

2 hours ago, MattNischan said:

The reality is that Asobo, for their many deserved criticisms, actually did good here, and there is a solid foundation to make extremely complex procedures work from the data available

This runs like a red thread in MSFS. They lay out a solid foundation, but then make it look cheap by not going the full distance.

57 minutes ago, Andreas Stangenes said:

Just forget that I mentioned "hard core" simmers, and just stick with simmers as opposed to gamers. I hope it will not inspire a debate on the semantics of gamers vs simmers... 

There is no debate.  Simmers are gamers with a superiority complex.

4 hours ago, cavaricooper said:

and I do not want to resort to having to go to other sites to get Asobo's attention...

Your choice - your loss ...

I'd hope that in the Developer Q&A, we get more concrete info rather than marketing phrases.

Do you plan on improving XY?
Yeah we are currently evaluating and trying to deliver the most realistic experience.

2 hours ago, wthomas33065 said:

There is no debate.  Simmers are gamers with a superiority complex.

Quote :

“The difference between computer simulations and computer games is subtle but important. At the core, the distinction is that simulations are about things (or systems) and how they behave, and games are about a fun user experience...”

4 hours ago, GSalden said:

Quote :

“The difference between computer simulations and computer games is subtle but important. At the core, the distinction is that simulations are about things (or systems) and how they behave, and games are about a fun user experience...”

“Simulations and games are very much different in their purposes. While a simulation is designed for evaluative or computational purposes, a game is designed for entertainment and educational purposes. While accuracy is the upshot of simulations, clarity is the upshot of games.”

http://www.differencebetween.net/technology/difference-between-games-and-simulations/

How many people here are running their “simulator” for evaluative or computational purposes and how many are using their product for entertainment and education?

 Unless you are using your product for evaluative or computational purposes, you’re gaming.

Edited October 24, 20205 yr by wthomas33065

I could have swore they mentioned about a month ago that originally they weren't planning on fleshing out the Garmin but due to the pushback they decided to bring someone in and revamp them. 

Could this not be a part of fixing approaches?

Edited October 24, 20205 yr by snwboardn

1 hour ago, snwboardn said:

I could have swore they mentioned about a month ago that originally they weren't planning on fleshing out the Garmin but due to the pushback they decided to bring someone in and revamp them. 

Could this not be a part of fixing approaches?

We will have to wait until Update #9 to see what they fixed... unless they start talking about it before then.. 🙂

8 hours ago, wthomas33065 said:

“Simulations and games are very much different in their purposes. While a simulation is designed for evaluative or computational purposes, a game is designed for entertainment and educational purposes. While accuracy is the upshot of simulations, clarity is the upshot of games.”

http://www.differencebetween.net/technology/difference-between-games-and-simulations/

How many people here are running their “simulator” for evaluative or computational purposes and how many are using their product for entertainment and education?

 Unless you are using your product for evaluative or computational purposes, you’re gaming.

I've been simming for 15 years, and actually, i agree 😄 Its just a game folks! Relax.

Edited October 25, 20205 yr by leprechaunlive

Virtual Pilot - an old but the best definition for the "hard/soft simmers and gamers"! The differences only in a way how Virtual Pilots piloting aircraft, like real pilots in a real life, or like kids in a game.

17 hours ago, MauBen said:

Excellent question. I used to be a hard core IFR simmer until MFS2020 arrived. Right now, I have rediscovered the pure joy of VFR FLYING and small GA aircraft is all I care about. I would even venture to say that the majority of “hard core simmers” are now more  interested in VFR flying. I could be wrong, but this an interesting question I think.

I still have to understand why VFR would be less « hardcore » than IFR 😉. 

First, VFR does not preclude using radio-navigation instruments and auto-pilot and doesn’t imply clear skies and fair winds. Then cloud avoidance is by definition part of the VFR flying and makes navigation often... interesting.

If one (wrongly) defines VFR  by finding your way with a sectional while flying by hand, I do not find it specially « softcore » 😃,  specially in terrain poor in features (forested areas, agricultural lands sparsely inhabited, huge suburbs without landmark etc.). Add the cloud avoidance and you easily get lost 😃. 

Aviate and navigate, can’t think of anything more hardcore than that. I find utterly respectable and fun to use FMC, LNAV and VNAV in a liner but it seems to me easier, more comfortable.

Edited October 25, 20205 yr by Dominique_K

Well, I think it is fine that you good people want to drop by and tell us what you think is the difference between Hard core and normal simmers, or just gamers, but I do hope you understand it is totally besides the point of this thread?

8 hours ago, Bert Pieke said:

We will have to wait until Update #9 to see what they fixed... unless they start talking about it before then.. 🙂

A prudent man. It comes with age.

1 minute ago, Andreas Stangenes said:

Well, I think it is fine that you good people want to drop by and tell us what you think is the difference between Hard core and normal simmers, or just gamers, but I do hope you understand it is totally besides the point of this thread?

An eternal rule of the internet : you don’t control what happens to a thread you initiate more than you control a child that you gave life to.