Looking for advice about buying a 10850k over 5800x

[SlowFlyer 78]

Hi, I am looking for any advice from anyone who is willing to offer me some. Thanks.

I am going to build a new PC by the end of this month. Mostly for MSFS and maybe DCS. 
I was planning on buying an AMD 5800x (8 cores) but I am now thinking of going with my former plan of buying an Intel 10850k (10 cores). I might be wrong, but since I only have experience with Intel cpus in the past, I am more comfortable with Intel, but I would get AMD if you think it's more worthwhile. I am worried about the availability of the 5800X in a few weeks, too.

I have a microcenter nearby so I can easily get the 10850K for $400 instead of the 5800X at $450.
Can anyone fault my idea to bypass the new AMD cpu for a 10850K?  I like the idea of having an intergrated video (even though I will get the best GPU I can afford at the end of the month).
I am not looking to aggressively overclock, so my nochua u12a should be fine, and I know the 10850k will run hotter than the 5800x.

I will get 2 more cores with the 10850K over the 5800x.
The seem to be equal in FPS, I will get a SSD NVMe interface (PCIe Gen 3.0 x4) so I am not worried about the lack of PCIe gen 4.0 speed), etc.

Does anyone seem to think the new AMD 5800x is a better purchase over the 10850K or even lower priced 10700K for MSFS (DCS)? I think 8 cores is where I want to be for the future, otherwise, I would look at the 5600K is available or the 10600K.

 

Thanks, again. I would love to hear anyone's thoughts.

[Tektolnes 184]

If it's purely for gaming probably very little difference between the two. If you do any productivity work the 5800X would deliver some minor benefits. Maybe one other consideration is what GPU you plan to get. Pairing a new AMD CPU + new AMD GPU allows you to use the new Smart Access Memory functionality they've added which gives an overall boost though I don't know the size of this yet.

I think bottom line if the additional 2 cores are important to you and you don't want to spend an extra $100 to get the 5900X then the 5800X can make sense over the 5600X. I don't think you'd go wrong with either the 10850K or 5800X as they'd deliver very comparable results so it's more a question about what you feel more comfortable with which seems to be the 10850K. Also it'll definitely be easier to get your hands on the 10850K this month. The 5800X is going to sell out fast initially.

[himmelhorse 1,276]

SlowFlyer,

I think I would wait to see how the new AMD GPUs stack up. I say this because I think there may be advantages to going all intel or all AMD.  

The reviews are not all that far away and I do not believe the costs differences are going to be astronomical. 

Make you decision after the reviews mate, is my advice. I think all will be revealed before the end of the month.

Tony

Tony

[canadiantree 233]

38 minutes ago, himmelhorse said:

SlowFlyer,

I think I would wait to see how the new AMD GPUs stack up. I say this because I think there may be advantages to going all intel or all AMD.  

The reviews are not all that far away and I do not believe the costs differences are going to be astronomical. 

Make you decision after the reviews mate, is my advice. I think all will be revealed before the end of the month.

Tony

Tony

I agree with this recommendation & will be following it as well.

[Egbert Drenth 250]

On 11/6/2020 at 11:41 PM, SlowFlyer said:

Does anyone seem to think the new AMD 5800x is a better purchase over the 10850K

I'm buying a new system in about a month, provided all (AMD) parts are available, otherwise I have to wait.
Did some extensive research and watched quite a few Youtube videos about the new Ryzen 5000 cpu's (compared to the Intel ones)
I definitely will pick any Ryzen 5000 series cpu over any Intel cpu, simply because they are faster and give more bang for the bug.

To be more precise, this is my list

• AMD Ryzen 7 5800X (For gaming, 5900X/5950X perform the same so waste of money, especially the 5950X)

• Gigabyte X570 Aorus MASTER

• Noctua NH-D15 Cooler (if not too wide and blocking the memory)

• AMD RADEON RX 6800 XT

• Corsair RM850i

• 64GB G.Skill Trident Z Neo F4-3200C16Q-64GTZN

• The other usual parts

My guess is I have to wait at least until January before everything is available.

Edited November 9, 2020 by Egbert Drenth

[Carts85 1,203]

40 minutes ago, Egbert Drenth said:

 

• 64GB G.Skill Trident Z Neo F4-3200C16Q-64GTZ

3600-4000mhz is apparently the sweet spot for zen3 chips. Something to keep in mind.

[Fatback 84]

Doesn’t the 64mb L3 cache on the 5900x make a significant difference compared to the 32mb on the 5800x?

[SlowFlyer 78]

58 minutes ago, Fatback said:

Doesn’t the 64mb L3 cache on the 5900x make a significant difference compared to the 32mb on the 5800x?

That was a question I was wondering about when the specs for MSFS first came out when they stated an ideal CPU from Intel would be an 9800X and not a 9900K or 9700K. Some people were speculating that they suggested the  "x" CPU over the "K" CPU due to the larger L3 cache on the "X".  

I was hoping more reviewers would do more MSFS benchmarks. 

[pgde 571]

Another item to consider about memory. Gamers Nexus on YT found, unexpectedly, that 4 memory sticks rather than 2 gives one a 2 to 10% increase in performance (depending on the game) -- see 

 

[canadiantree 233]

32 minutes ago, pgde said:

Another item to consider about memory. Gamers Nexus on YT found, unexpectedly, that 4 memory sticks rather than 2 gives one a 2 to 10% increase in performance (depending on the game) -- see 

 

This doesn't seem that clear to me, Hardware Unboxed gave another take on it:

 

[Egbert Drenth 250]

16 hours ago, Carts85 said:

3600-4000mhz is apparently the sweet spot for zen3 chips. Something to keep in mind.

True, but there have been performed a few memory tests (HWU and GN) and the performance difference in games is only a few percent.
For me this doesn't justify the substantial price difference