33 minutes ago, bendead said:

Well dodging legitimate questions is not a good sign, guess I will go with the VirtualFly yoke.

The Yoko is in a different price bracket altogether.  There is also the Fulcrum with more travel than either, which sits in between pricewise, however that is also "preorder and wait a month"  right now.

Note that both are probably better Yokes in terms of movement BUT neither of them have the extra switch gear that seems a big attraction of the Honeycomb.

This issue is so frustrating. The yoke is brilliant. This issue isn't. I am glad it is getting some daylight now.... It cant be that hard of a fix, can it? 

2 minutes ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

The Yoko is in a different price bracket altogether.  There is also the Fulcrum with more travel than either, which sits in between pricewise, however that is also "preorder and wait a month"  right now.

Note that both are probably better Yokes in terms of movement BUT neither of them have the extra switch gear that seems a big attraction of the Honeycomb.

I know it's quite expensive, but the quality seems to be here. I also would love a Brunner, sadly, on the official forum, not a lot of news on MSFS support, that's a shame because, for trimming it would be awesome.

The Fulcrum which looks nice, but not available yet.

The only reason I need something in stock is because, I might come back to France for 7-10 days during christmas, after that back in Western Africa, where you can wait 6 month for DHL or Fedex to deliver your package + you have to pay 60-70% in customs + fee + party money for staff + etc...

Just now, bendead said:

I know it's quite expensive, but the quality seems to be here. I also would love a Brunner, sadly, on the official forum, not a lot of news on MSFS support, that's a shame because, for trimming it would be awesome.

The Fulcrum which looks nice, but not available yet.

I believe some people have the Brunner's working with addon software like XPForce but it is a lot of money to spend on the chance it can be made to work.

The Fulcrum is actually shipping but he is quoting 5 weeks from order at present, and obviously that is providing the UK Covid situation does not mess up his supply of components again

2 minutes ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

I believe some people have the Brunner's working with addon software like XPForce but it is a lot of money to spend on the chance it can be made to work.

The Fulcrum is actually shipping but he is quoting 5 weeks from order at present, and obviously that is providing the UK Covid situation does not mess up his supply of components again

Thanks for the info Glenn

Does anyone know if it's possible to work around the on/on switch issue using FSUIPC?

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2 hours ago, marsman2020 said:

If you map the toggle switches for the magnetos, etc, on the Alpha then it causes an error where you can only increment the heading bug in 10 degree increments.

I have unbound the rotary switches on my Alpha some time ago and I have still have the 10° increment issue in some, but not all aircraft models in MSFS.  I fly strictly GA prop and turbo prop.  I have seen here on Avsim reports of the issue when using other makes and models of flight controls.  I have not attempted to track which models I experience it in but I believe I see it in the 172 (G1000) and do not see it in the DA62.

2 hours ago, bendead said:

No comment on supply?

I ordered my yoke 3 weeks ago, and it came last week... you just have to look for the right vendor! And no, I won't reveal my source but its not hard to find sim product vendors.

2 minutes ago, jpe828 said:

I ordered my yoke 3 weeks ago, and it came last week... you just have to look for the right vendor! And no, I won't reveal my source but its not hard to find sim product vendors.

As I am ordering my stuff mostly to be delivered in France, I can find only Flightsimwebshop and Aerosoft for most of the sim hardware

1 hour ago, bendead said:

Well dodging legitimate questions is not a good sign, guess I will go with the VirtualFly yoke.

I'm terribly sorry if you think that informing the OP that Microsoft/Asobo does the software/control binds for our hardware, and as such they are the only ones that can resolve this, and have promised to do so. If that's a dodge, then I guess I'm dodging.  I'm pretty sure that most people that I've known in my 40 years in this hobby would say that I provided an accurate answer to a question,.  Again, terribly sorry that my answer wasn't good enough for you.

Best wishes!

 

 

Edited November 27, 20205 yr by DaveCT2003

9 minutes ago, DaveCT2003 said:

I'm terribly sorry if you think that informing the OP that Microsoft/Asobo does the software/control binds for our hardware, and as such they are the only ones that can resolve this, and have promised to do so. If that's a dodge, then I guess I'm dodging.  I'm pretty sure that most people that I've known in my 40 years in this hobby would say that I provided an accurate answer to a question,.  Again, terribly sorry that my answer wasn't good enough for you.

Best wishes!

 

 

Did you read my post? It was not about software or hardware technical issue, but about Honeycomb hardware production vs the increasing demand/ nearly non existence of stock for it. 

But nice reply 🙂

Edited November 27, 20205 yr by bendead

By the way, as someone who's been around this community for 4 decades, I can offer some additional help to you guys.

Every so often someone will post about those who open threads instead of searching for existing ones.  Sure, I'm the first one to say it's anyone's right to do that, no question from me about that.  But I'm not someone who does research for others who won't do it for themselves, and I don't post solutions on every single new thread, that is also my right.  But veterans in the community will correctly tell you that less than 1 percent of 1 percent of all posts are new questions - in other words, if you have a question about anything in our community then it's incredibly likely the question has already been asked an answered, that that answer is not only sitting there waiting for you, it will take you FAR less time to search for and read it than posting and waiting for a response - let alone an accurate one.  Another benefit reading most existing threads is that things have already hashed out (vetted) and the solution agreed on.

So, remembering that this is NOT our support area, I will go ahead and once again share some information that you may find helpful.

1. As I said, this issue is with MSFS.  I'm told that MS agreed on that and will provide a solution at some point. We don't control what MS does, otherwise it would be done.

2. What you are experiencing may have been intentional on the part of Asobo.  What they may well have done, and something which is not new to flight simulation or gaming for that matter, is provide Course and Fine tuning.  Whether they did this on purpose or by accident, that's exactly what one has inside MSFS. Moreover, this occurs with other flight sim hardware that uses the same type of switch types we do.  Again, it's NOT a Honeycomb issue, and we don't control MS or MSFS development.

Now, check out this video:  https://streamable.com/iu4tf9

As you'll see, and as has been posted several times in other threads on this subject, you can indeed use both course and fine controls.  Now I won't make you go and find that information elsewhere, and I'll say this one more time this is not a Honeycomb issue and it's present with non-Honeycomb hardware as well (this too has been posted several times elsewhere).  If you use your Mousewheel you'll get course adjustments, and if you use the Mouse Left Click you'll get fine adjustments.

Look guys, do what you want , but I'm simply offering some good advice in a sincere manner and that advice can save you a bunch of time and help you to understand things before you post about them. That's all. I would like to believe that's in all out best interest.

My very best wishes to you.

 

Edited November 29, 20205 yr by DaveCT2003

22 minutes ago, DaveCT2003 said:

I'm terribly sorry if you think that informing the OP that Microsoft/Asobo does the software/control binds for our hardware, and as such they are the only ones that can resolve this, and have promised to do so.

 

 

I'm sorry if my original post implied that Honeycomb was at fault. I can certainly see how it could be taken that way. I clearly understand the problem and know that it lies with the MSFS team. I reported the issue to Microsoft very early in testing. Several others have as well. Frankly, I've given up on the issue being addressed any time soon as it seems not to carry much priority relative to other pressing issues/wants of either the development team or the community at large.  Given the popularity of the Honeycomb product, I am disappointed, but not shocked. With the introduction of Honeycomb as one of the official partners, however, I was hopeful that perhaps it was addressed afterall. Given your information earlier, Dave, It is good to see that MSFS is aware of the issue. I had not seen an acknowledgement from the team elsewhere.

There are several a/c in P3D that act the same without the Honeycomb yoke. Altimeters that use 100ft for wheel and 1000ft for click.  Ditto using 1/10 with course adjustments. I suspect it was coded that way by Asobo.

9 minutes ago, vgbaron said:

There are several a/c in P3D that act the same without the Honeycomb yoke. Altimeters that use 100ft for wheel and 1000ft for click.  Ditto using 1/10 with course adjustments. I suspect it was coded that way by Asobo.

 

26 minutes ago, DaveCT2003 said:

What you are experiencing may have been intentional on the part of Asobo. 

I would be shocked if this is a "feature" and not a bug.  Why code it to behave differently under a very specific use case of having a control button held in the "on" state? Again, this is not even specific to an on-on toggle type switch. The behavior is repeatable if any button is held in the on state. 

But let's go with the idea that it is a feature. I could live with a coarse/fine arrangement if it actually worked consistently. Unfortunately for me (and others) left clicking causes an initial jump of 10 degrees followed by 1 degree increments only if the mouse button is held. There is also the issue of rapid trim acceleration as well that occurs in the same use case.