50 minutes ago, steve310002 said:

Whilst I appreciate and am sincerely glad that it is working well for you on your setup, there is clearly an issue here for other users of all setup types including the latest and greatest GPUs.

With all due respect, it somewhat undermines the issues many other users are having that are not really 'normal' and very frustrating by praising FT for their work especially when the developer has been somewhat in denial over the issue. Also, I don't recommend encouraging others to buy a scenery that clearly for many is broken. It actually facilitates encouraging poor development practices (especially in terms of user support like how the developer answered to Dillon on the FT forum).

Ludicrous! I debunked the theory that the airport and city are defective and I did it in a few minutes. The problem is inherent in this sim (moving target) and the inability for the user to understand that too many add-ons in the community folder will lead to slow downs and issues like CTDs and poor performance.

I come here daily to learn from everyone else and I apply what I learn and I learned that using the AP Linker was the best thing to do if I wanted to load my sim faster and take control of over 100 mods and payware airports.

In short I only load what I need and not everything in my community folder.

7 minutes ago, David Roch said:

But I sincerely don't feel like encouraging anybody.

Fair enough and I'm really glad your enjoying it. I can imagine it is great once it's working.

In my example, this is my first FlyTampa scenery that I purchased. I did this because for years I had heard how great they are as a developer and I had read that their recent Copenhagen scenery is also great. Normally I would never jump straight in and always watch reviews first but in this case based on the reputation of the developer via feedback from users, I trusted that there would be no issue (silly of me as I have been burnt too many times before by software problems on release). 

46 minutes ago, David Roch said:

I understand Steve, and I am sorry for you and the few other users. I hope you'll get this issue sorted soon.
But I sincerely don't feel like encouraging anybody.
I assume we are all adults and one can make his own opinion after reading good and bad reviews from other folks here.
I for one am very impressed by this scenery's high level, so I feel legitimate to affirm it.

Absolutely!

For me, this is the best and most elaborate scenery created for MSFS right now. I challenge anyone to show me an airport as detailed as KLAS with a city as detailed as Las Vegas with all the animations as this one and compare fps.

For those who are skeptical, download and test the free EGKK and check your frames or just read what is happening with DD's Chicago City.

The common denominator is the platform. It's new, still evolving, and we are all still learning about it.

5 minutes ago, steve310002 said:

Fair enough and I'm really glad your enjoying it. I can imagine it is great once it's working.

In my example, this is my first FlyTampa scenery that I purchased. I did this because for years I had heard how great they are as a developer and I had read that their recent Copenhagen scenery is also great. Normally I would never jump straight in and always watch reviews first but in this case based on the reputation of the developer via feedback from users, I trusted that there would be no issue (silly of me as I have been burnt too many times before by software problems on release). 

If you are not happy they will give you a refund. That's the mark of an excellent developer. Very few offer a refund. FlyTampa guarantees your satisfaction!

6 minutes ago, DJJose said:

If you are not happy they will give you a refund. That's the mark of an excellent developer. Very few offer a refund. FlyTampa guarantees your satisfaction!

I think I'm going to ask for a refund too. Flying over the city in the xcub, my fps went down 17 fps. This is the only airport I've had with this terrible performance, and the fact that they have additional lights you can download which makes perf go down even more is not too encouraging. 

I'm in the dilemma of requesting a refund right now and wait for a this-week-expected corrective patch : 

 

 

Edited December 14, 20205 yr by vbazillio

5 minutes ago, devgrp said:

I think I'm going to ask for a refund too. Flying over the city in the xcub, my fps went down 17 fps. This is the only airport I've had with this terrible performance, and the fact that they have additional lights you can download which makes perf go down even more is not too encouraging. 

There's a patch coming to help those with poor performance. Have you tested KLAS by itself in the community folder? The airport alone is worth the price of the add-on.

1 minute ago, DJJose said:

There's a patch coming to help those with poor performance. Have you tested KLAS by itself in the community folder? The airport alone is worth the price of the add-on.

No I haven't, but I'll try later when I get home. I said I wasn't buying anymore airports, but I'm a big fan of FlyTampa. Hopefully they'll fix it asap 

KLAS is absolutely unflyable. I have the highest end computer and this add on completely destroyed my computer. I am getting around 10 FPS.

The question is if these vendors are doing any quality control before putting these products on the market. It is absolutely unacceptable. I am tempted to ask for a refund. The add on is useless.

Edited December 14, 20205 yr by Huascar

1 minute ago, devgrp said:

No I haven't, but I'll try later when I get home. I said I wasn't buying anymore airports, but I'm a big fan of FlyTampa. Hopefully they'll fix it asap 

I can assure you that once you examine the quality of this airport, you will not let it go. 

After trying the airport by itself, try the city by itself.

Also avoid dropping all your mods into the community folder. Limit the amount of mods and your sim will load faster and perform better.

How much system ram & video (vRAM) do you have?

2 minutes ago, Huascar said:

KLAS is absolutely unflyable. I have the highest end computer and this add on completely destroyed my computer. I am getting around 10 FPS.

The question is if these vendors are doing any quality control before to put these products on the market. It is absolutely unacceptable. I am tempted to ask for a refund. The add on is useless.

Please read my last response. If you really want a quality KLAS, just load the airport. Remove the city from the community folder. Just try it!

7 minutes ago, DJJose said:

Please read my last response. If you really want a quality KLAS, just load the airport. Remove the city from the community folder. Just try it!

I will give it shot. No problem with the rest of the add ons. 

44 minutes ago, DJJose said:

I challenge anyone to show me an airport as detailed as KLAS with a city as detailed as Las Vegas with all the animations as this one and compare fps.

I don't agree. Changing bill board signs and a fountain animation are hardly pushing the bar in an engine as advanced as MSFS using today's graphic cards. The way the engine loads scenery makes these small animated additions not very GPU or CPU intensive. As I stated earlier, if you see what happened on ORBX forums with KBUR when it was released with what appears to be almost the exact same problem and how they fixed it, most likely it is a result of quirks of how scenery needs to be stitched together rather than created as one big piece of scenery.

We are not back in 2008 in the days of FSX where an animation brings your PC to it's knees.

17 minutes ago, DJJose said:

I can assure you that once you examine the quality of this airport, you will not let it go. 

After trying the airport by itself, try the city by itself.

Also avoid dropping all your mods into the community folder. Limit the amount of mods and your sim will load faster and perform better.

How much system ram & video (vRAM) do you have?

I have 119gb in my community folder but I don't have any problems with perf or loading. This has been the only one. I have 64gb ram and a 2080 super. 

6 minutes ago, Huascar said:

I will give it shot. No problem with the rest of the add ons. 

All your other airports could work absolutely perfectly, but there are some mods that cause issues like poor fps. If the airport and city perform great on its own then we can begin to isolate if there are any mods that are causing problems. Then we can forward the info to FlyTampa.

I also want to put things in perspective. Emilios could have just released the airport and we would have paid full price for it. Then he could have released the city and charged extra for it and many of us would have paid for the city. DD has been doing that for years and it seems to be common practice.

I want to do everything I can do to help because it's an excellent add-on for MSFS and I'm grateful that it's available for us to enjoy.