Jump to content

Sign in to follow this  
Noel

How does one select an appropriate STAR/SID?

Recommended Posts

24 minutes ago, Dave_YVR said:

No, the STAR is left in unless it is incorrect which would then get replaced by the correct one and issued in the initial clearance or changed while in-flight being a dynamic environment.

I see. Thanks.

mike

Share this post


Link to post

I'm assuming I can direct it to read ASN4's weather data so will try that today as I noticed EFB 2's weather did not match ASN4's.  I think I will go ahead and do the one month Navigraph and see how it goes over the next 28 days of trial use.  What's missing I guess is syncing with ATC so you kind of have to use either your own SID/STAR or follow ATC for direct-only vectoring, unfortunately.  Is this a can of worms which leads to another ATC package?  Is there anyone making a good ATC package which also jives w/ Navigraph's SID/STAR data?  That sounds desirable!


Noel

System:  9900K@4.9Ghz@1.21v all cores w/ HT enabled, MSI MPG Z390M GAMING EDGE AC, Noctua NH-D15S, Corsair Vengeance 32Gb LPX 3200mHz DDR4, Sabrent NVme 2Tb x 2, RTX 2070 Super FE, Corsair RM 850W PSU, Win10 Pro, Dell curved 3440x1440, Saitek Yoke, TQ & Cessna Trim Wheel, UNLIMITED frames Vsync to 30Hz.

 

Share this post


Link to post

I did use the Navigraph software, chose all the add-ons it identified to update the dbases for, located the weather app and all seemed well but in the PMDG 777 the SIDS certainly don't match what's in EFB 2 Procedures tab.  Aren't they suppose to match perfectly?   When I look on the IDENT page on the 777's FMS the shows AIRAC-2014 DEC31JAN28/21.  Is that supposed to mean year 2014 data?  

Nope--it appears to be the name of the cycle perhaps?

Ok, skipped a step of importing into the db builder--all's well thanks!

Edited by Noel

Noel

System:  9900K@4.9Ghz@1.21v all cores w/ HT enabled, MSI MPG Z390M GAMING EDGE AC, Noctua NH-D15S, Corsair Vengeance 32Gb LPX 3200mHz DDR4, Sabrent NVme 2Tb x 2, RTX 2070 Super FE, Corsair RM 850W PSU, Win10 Pro, Dell curved 3440x1440, Saitek Yoke, TQ & Cessna Trim Wheel, UNLIMITED frames Vsync to 30Hz.

 

Share this post


Link to post

AIRAC 2014 is the current one. First two digits stand for the year (2020) and the last two digits are the number of 28 day cycle. This is the 14th cycle released in 2020.

Looks like EFB is not updated. I'd check that.

Share this post


Link to post

Yep, that was it thanks emko ;o)


Noel

System:  9900K@4.9Ghz@1.21v all cores w/ HT enabled, MSI MPG Z390M GAMING EDGE AC, Noctua NH-D15S, Corsair Vengeance 32Gb LPX 3200mHz DDR4, Sabrent NVme 2Tb x 2, RTX 2070 Super FE, Corsair RM 850W PSU, Win10 Pro, Dell curved 3440x1440, Saitek Yoke, TQ & Cessna Trim Wheel, UNLIMITED frames Vsync to 30Hz.

 

Share this post


Link to post

No responses to this question, which probably means it has answered itself:  Is this a can of worms which leads to another ATC package?  Is there anyone making a good ATC package which also jives w/ Navigraph's SID/STAR data?

The default ATC doesn't tell you what runway you are to land on until you're way past the enroute transitions, I guess they are called, so it's messy to try to use both default ATC, and then attempt to use the various procedures, though you can bypass some fixes in the FMS.  It would be fabulous to have an ATC program that also looked at these procedures and could direct you.  Does this exist?  


Noel

System:  9900K@4.9Ghz@1.21v all cores w/ HT enabled, MSI MPG Z390M GAMING EDGE AC, Noctua NH-D15S, Corsair Vengeance 32Gb LPX 3200mHz DDR4, Sabrent NVme 2Tb x 2, RTX 2070 Super FE, Corsair RM 850W PSU, Win10 Pro, Dell curved 3440x1440, Saitek Yoke, TQ & Cessna Trim Wheel, UNLIMITED frames Vsync to 30Hz.

 

Share this post


Link to post
38 minutes ago, Noel said:

No responses to this question, which probably means it has answered itself:  Is this a can of worms which leads to another ATC package?  Is there anyone making a good ATC package which also jives w/ Navigraph's SID/STAR data?

The default ATC doesn't tell you what runway you are to land on until you're way past the enroute transitions, I guess they are called, so it's messy to try to use both default ATC, and then attempt to use the various procedures, though you can bypass some fixes in the FMS.  It would be fabulous to have an ATC program that also looked at these procedures and could direct you.  Does this exist?  

Pilot2ATC does that.  It is update-able by Navigraph. 

You can bypass fixes in the FMS and with Pilot2ATC...first I request direct to <my waypoint> from ATC, and then second, if they approve my request...then I would enter it in my FMS and the plane would fly that new routing.

The only problem with Pilot2ATC, is that it does not deal with AI.   There has been talk at Pilot2ATC to make it AI-aware but I haven't been keeping up with things.

 

  • Like 1

Rhett

i7-8700k @ 5.0 ghz, 32 GB G.Skill TridentZ, 1080Ti, 32" BenQ, 4K res

Share this post


Link to post
8 hours ago, Mace said:

Pilot2ATC does that.  It is update-able by Navigraph. 

You can bypass fixes in the FMS and with Pilot2ATC...first I request direct to <my waypoint> from ATC, and then second, if they approve my request...then I would enter it in my FMS and the plane would fly that new routing.

The only problem with Pilot2ATC, is that it does not deal with AI.   There has been talk at Pilot2ATC to make it AI-aware but I haven't been keeping up with things.

 

Thanks Rhett.  How does the phrasing and voicing sound?   I assume it must also be concatenated, like it is in MSFS, versus recorded whole phrases as default ATC does in FSX/P3D?


Noel

System:  9900K@4.9Ghz@1.21v all cores w/ HT enabled, MSI MPG Z390M GAMING EDGE AC, Noctua NH-D15S, Corsair Vengeance 32Gb LPX 3200mHz DDR4, Sabrent NVme 2Tb x 2, RTX 2070 Super FE, Corsair RM 850W PSU, Win10 Pro, Dell curved 3440x1440, Saitek Yoke, TQ & Cessna Trim Wheel, UNLIMITED frames Vsync to 30Hz.

 

Share this post


Link to post
38 minutes ago, Noel said:

Thanks Rhett.  How does the phrasing and voicing sound?   I assume it must also be concatenated, like it is in MSFS, versus recorded whole phrases as default ATC does in FSX/P3D?

you  can purchase  voice packs  or  just   stay  with  the  voice  packs  that  comes  with it,  there  are  plenty  of utubes  out  there  with  pilot2atc   in  which  you  can  decide.  

  • Like 1

I7-800k,Corsair h1101 cooler ,Asus Strix Gaming Intel Z370 S11 motherboard, Corsair 32gb ramDD4,    2  ssd 500gb 970 drive, gtx 1080ti Card,  RM850 power supply

 

Peter kelberg

Share this post


Link to post
14 hours ago, Noel said:

Thanks Rhett.  How does the phrasing and voicing sound?   I assume it must also be concatenated, like it is in MSFS, versus recorded whole phrases as default ATC does in FSX/P3D?

It tends to use whole phrases.  "...Kingair four-zero-whiskey contact Merida Center on one-one-four-point-three...".   Actually I can't remember if it says decimal or point.  I'm not quite that doctrinaire when it comes to my ATC.

Sometimes you can hear some unnatural flow to the voice, but it's pretty decent.

I would like to experiment with the different voice packs you can download but I have not.  Like a Spanish-accented one for where I'm flying right now.  I had a little problem with the volume of the voices and that part of the config is a little tricky.


Rhett

i7-8700k @ 5.0 ghz, 32 GB G.Skill TridentZ, 1080Ti, 32" BenQ, 4K res

Share this post


Link to post
22 hours ago, Noel said:

Thanks Rhett.  How does the phrasing and voicing sound?   I assume it must also be concatenated, like it is in MSFS, versus recorded whole phrases as default ATC does in FSX/P3D?

Also, I forgot to add, I am able to use Pilot2ATC with both MSFS and P3D.


Rhett

i7-8700k @ 5.0 ghz, 32 GB G.Skill TridentZ, 1080Ti, 32" BenQ, 4K res

Share this post


Link to post

Thanks again Rhett. As you mentioned Little NavMap offers a look at procedures and this should be good enough for my needs, and I proved that both in P3D & MSFS.  The AivlaSoft EFB2 is a really lovely package but more than I need near as I can tell.  Unfortunately it isn't really adding anything for me beyond another add-on to maintain.  Because I use ActiveSky I can look there to determine arrival runways that make sense with regard to wind so I think that's about all I need.  I will take a good look at Pilot2ATC, starting with a good look at videos and reviews--it costs about the same as EFB2.  


Noel

System:  9900K@4.9Ghz@1.21v all cores w/ HT enabled, MSI MPG Z390M GAMING EDGE AC, Noctua NH-D15S, Corsair Vengeance 32Gb LPX 3200mHz DDR4, Sabrent NVme 2Tb x 2, RTX 2070 Super FE, Corsair RM 850W PSU, Win10 Pro, Dell curved 3440x1440, Saitek Yoke, TQ & Cessna Trim Wheel, UNLIMITED frames Vsync to 30Hz.

 

Share this post


Link to post

 

On 1/13/2021 at 6:06 AM, Noel said:

  I will take a good look at Pilot2ATC, starting with a good look at videos and reviews--it costs about the same as EFB2.  

The good thing about P2ATC is that it has a 10 day trial I believe so decent time to experiment with it.


Mark Aldridge
P3D v5.1 HF1 and sometimes FSX!

MFG Crosswind | ACE B747 yoke | i7-8700K @4.5Ghz | MSI Z370 HD3 Tomahawk | MSI GTX 1070Ti Armor 8Gb |16Gb Corsair 3000Mhz DDR4 DRAM| Samsung EVO 850 500Gb Windows|WD Blue 1Tb SSD SATA disk | Adata XPG SX8200 Pro 2Tb NMVe SSD disk | Acer Predator 34p 3440x1440p  | beQuiet Silent Base 800 tower  

Share this post


Link to post

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  
  • Tom Allensworth,
    Founder of AVSIM Online


  • Flight Simulation's Premier Resource!

    AVSIM is a free service to the flight simulation community. AVSIM is staffed completely by volunteers and all funds donated to AVSIM go directly back to supporting the community. Your donation here helps to pay our bandwidth costs, emergency funding, and other general costs that crop up from time to time. Thank you for your support!

    Click here for more information and to see all donations year to date.
  • Donation Goals

    AVSIM's 2020 Fundraising Goal

    Donate to our annual general fundraising goal. This donation keeps our doors open and providing you service 24 x 7 x 365. Your donation here helps to pay our bandwidth costs, emergency funding, and other general costs that crop up from time to time. We reset this goal every new year for the following year's goal.


    41%
    $10,300.00 of $25,000.00 Donate Now
×
×
  • Create New...