But the problem is they don`t want to confront the real problem population by the end of this century more than 1.75 billion mouths to feed, this will in the end force people to cut down the rain forest to grow food. and in some parts of the world they have already cut down forest to grow Bio Fuel.

I'm pessimistic:  I'm afraid that global warming has already reached the tipping point.  

All the current measures to reduce carbon emissions and other harmful gases should have actually started in the 60's - but there was neither the foresight, the will, or the technology to go forward.  One can plainly see that in the early days of Covid (when vehicle and factory emissions were greatly reduced for a time) that the haze and smog over major cities virtually disappeared.  In effect, we would almost need a real-life version of  "The Day the Earth Stood Still"  for a much longer time period to reverse the damage that the more than seven billion people have produced...     

By the way, I'm going to file-away that roast beef recipe for future use,

 

I think the Pizzas he ate as young programmer have ruined his taste buds.

3 hours ago, dave2013 said:

The forced power outages of limited duration occurred in other states as well and were due to excessive power demand that the utilities could not handle. 

If Texas had coal, gas, and nuclear plants that were out of commission simply due to the cold then they have some serious problems. 

Dave

There certainly are issues with the extreme levels of demand, but for Texas there looks to be far more going on than just a few windmills freezing.

https://twitter.com/i/events/1361767999200317440

2 hours ago, FPStewy said:

Raw beef liver or even cooked is one of the most nutrition dense superfoods on earth and a portion of Beef has Zero carbs and Zero sugar, how does that contribute to obesity. 100g of Pink Salmon for ex. has 300% of your daily value of natural Vitamin D.

As I said, it's the portion sizes. Most recommendations I have seen from national food guides and doctors is somewhere around 3oz of a lean cut of beef for your daily portion. Yet many happily, and far too often, eat 8, 10 or 12oz steaks, and often not very lean cuts either.

3 hours ago, G-RFRY said:

more than 1.75 billion mouths to feed,

& i believed there was already 7b of US ,,, so only a 20% increase in the next 80y (flatliner I guess).

Edited February 17, 20215 yr by vadriver

When I started this post it was 7,846,495,889. As I finish this post it's its 7,846,496,514.  And it'll be a whole lot more by the time anyone reads this..  https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/  . 

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28 minutes ago, vadriver said:

& i believed there was already 7b of US ,,, so only a 20% increase in the next 80y (flatliner I guess).

Yes and we can`t feed them thousands starving and dying ever year, and if the experts are to be believed at an increasing rate. now if we can reduce the greenhouse gas CO2 down to %20 we will all die anyway plants can`t grow grow without it. Catch 22.   

12 hours ago, birdguy said:

Maybe I could cut back from 3 times a month to twice a month.  But do you want me to toss out a freezer full of delicious meat?  I'm sorry, but I've been a meat eater all my life.

I might ask all of you who drive standard automobiles.  Would you buy a hybrid or an electric car to do your bit for your grandchildren and their children?

Noel

 

Finish your freezer meat off Noel, I will allow that. It's already emitted it's CO2 during its creation, or at least most of it. 

And YES, absolutely YES, I would indeed buy an electric car. In fact I'm pretty sure that when I can next afford a car it will be electric. And its not just about the environment, they are actually pretty awesome to drive these days. 

12 hours ago, Garys said:

No, The planet has cost me over $20,000 in storm damage and insurance premium hikes in the last couple of years. I prefer Beef!

 

I know you say that tongue in cheek but...

In fact, the planet is indifferent to you as it hasn't a brain, it just is. And the weather damage you have regrettably experienced, storms, floods, for example, are exacerbated by climate change. So if we all continue to consume meat like there's no tomorrow, we/you can expect more storm damage and our children and their children even worse. 

12 hours ago, Matthew Kane said:

Change usually comes with the next generation, I am 50 now and will probably enjoy my red meat until the day I die, my kids in the other hand can be vegans for all I care, as long as they are happy and healthy and contributing to society. 

 

Problem is Matthew, there are a multitude of people like you, 50 or above, and if they all have the same attitude that's an enormous amount of beef consumption. We need action now. And if we don't act now, future generations will look back on us with disdain and ask why we did so little, so late. If your grandchildren ask you one day, "grandfather, what did you do to reduce your CO2 impact?" How will you answer? You wont want to say "I left it to you guys". 

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10 hours ago, dave2013 said:

By the way, the plants for the meat do have to be grown and it takes resources to do that, so is it so much less resource intensive than raising a cow?  I honestly don't know.

 

Well yes, its huge. Take the cows out of the equation and we eat the plants grown for them. Or plants in their place that we can eat. The mass of animals raised for slaughter amount to 15 times every person on the planet. Meat and dairy is 16% of global CO2 emissions. 

 

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Given that the climate impact of plant-based foods is typically 10 to 50 times smaller than that of animal products, it follows that switching from a largely meat-based diet to a vegetarian or vegan diet could help to reduce emissions.

 

https://interactive.carbonbrief.org/what-is-the-climate-impact-of-eating-meat-and-dairy/

 

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Conservation is the key to "saving the planet".  We should all consume resources in moderation, i.e. not eat big steaks every day, keep the temperature in our buildings reasonable, try to recycle what we can, etc.  As long as we practice reasonable conservation and continue to make progress on alternate sources of energy, we'll be fine.  There is no reason for alarm or hysteria.

There is no reason for alarm or hysteria.

 

I don't agree with the moderation premise. There are some things we shouldn't do at all, and some things we should do more of.  Moderation is better than nothing though, as long as we are moderating the bad things.. 

As for being fine if we practice reasonable conservation and make progress with alternative energy, no not really. We are already beyond the point of being fine. In some parts of the world they are suffering now. We are already committed to considerable warming. There is inertia in the system, even if we stop emitting now the temperature will continue to rise. So yes, there is cause for alarm. 

 

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Should there be a shortage of beef, or whatever, in the future, then you know what will happen?  The price of that scare commodity will increase to the point where fewer people will consume it and will switch to something else.  It's Adam Smith's invisible hand at work.

 

If they switch to something that doesn't emit CO2 that a good thing. 

9 hours ago, Fielder said:

The fact that humans have canine teeth slightly longer than other teeth proves that we have long been omnivores who include meat in our diet. To do otherwise now is to declare war against nature and mother earth. A battle that ultimately we will not win.

What could possibly go wrong with denying who and what millions of years of evolution have shaped us into being? Our health.

 

 

Actually, many herbivores have canine teeth too. Its actually the diversity of teeth we have and the enzymes in our digestive system that demonstrate we are omnivores. Trouble is, the bonkers vegans (not the sensible ones) don't do themselves any favours by denying basic biology. 

53 minutes ago, G-RFRY said:

 now if we can reduce the greenhouse gas CO2 down to %20 we will all die anyway plants can`t grow grow without it. Catch 22.   

 

It doesn't work that way. 😁 Plants aren't dependant on the CO2 from our emissions. They got along just fine before human beings started pumping out CO2. As in, prior to the industrial revolution. The small amount of CO2 in air is all they need, and in fact its optimal for them. 

 

P.S. Apologies Avsim people... I should have been using multi-quotes. 

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when people like Gates,Markle,Di Caprio and Greta stop traveling to climate change conferences in private jets and super yachts , whist wearing clothes made in far eastern sweat shops and typing on iphones made in factories by children then ill look at my carbon foot print.

Ill introduce you to some of my buddies at TAG, Netjets and Execujet who order the jets for them, they will tell you how their customers will spend 20k on food and drinks for the trip and then not touch it because they decided had a hamburger at the hotel before the limo turned up and then they will stand up 3 hours later and make a speech at Davos moaning that africa is starving and the world is too hot.

ill agree with anyone that climate change is an issue, and a huge one at that, but im sick of the rich and famous being hypocrits and virtue signalling to us common folk,  because if they dont, they wont get any TV/Film work because its the "in thing" at the moment to be woke and thats what gets you work in tv/media/film 

 

 

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