MilViz Piaggio P.180 Avanti Evo released!

[Gary1124 181]

Incomplete. Ah Ahem MSFS 2020.

[chapstick 2,757]

1 hour ago, TurboKen said:

Looking forward to Milviz re-releasing this.

I'm guessing they got hit with a lawsuit or something. I doubt it's coming back.

[Milviz 919]

Annnndddd.... she's out again....

[Mets737 193]

20 minutes ago, Milviz said:

Annnndddd.... she's out again....

I was lucky enough to get it when you released it the first time....Has there been any changes with this "re-release" ? if so should I look at my account and re download it?

[Bob Scott 7,716]

1 hour ago, Milviz said:

Annnndddd.... she's out again....

Out with a 50% price increase??

[Milviz 919]

Nearly so... because she's now as complete as we can make it... (no charts but otherwise, at the same level as the KA which is at 79.99)

And yes, you can get an update for it if you bought it when it was originally released. (lots of changes/functionality)

 

Note: P3D v4 functionality has been removed to make it simpler to support.  We realize this will make some upset but, quite honestly, performance is much better with v5 so it's worth the upgrade...

 

Edited March 20, 2021 by Milviz

[Mets737 193]

7 hours ago, Milviz said:

Nearly so... because she's now as complete as we can make it... (no charts but otherwise, at the same level as the KA which is at 79.99)

And yes, you can get an update for it if you bought it when it was originally released. (lots of changes/functionality)

 

Note: P3D v4 functionality has been removed to make it simpler to support.  We realize this will make some upset but, quite honestly, performance is much better with v5 so it's worth the upgrade...

 

I re downloaded the new installer but keep getting an error message when I load the aircraft in the sim saying "this product is not activated" then crashes the sim.

During the install I entered my serial code etc. Not sure why this is happening.

 

[btacon 1,772]

2 hours ago, Mets737 said:

I re downloaded the new installer but keep getting an error message when I load the aircraft in the sim saying "this product is not activated" then crashes the sim.

During the install I entered my serial code etc. Not sure why this is happening.

 

Ditto for me.  Just downloaded, installed and got the same message.  When I installed it took the code Milviz provided with download link.  Seems like there is a bug somewhere in the auth process.  I'm sure they will sort it out soon.

Bummer, was really excited to fly it this weekend. 

-Braun

[Joe L 62]

As I said earlier in this thread, I managed to get it on the first release. No regrets, but . . .

Major Gripe is regarding Documentation:

• No word on the EVO FADEC at all.
• Nothing in manual regarding steering button on yoke - it is required to actually taxi.  Steering system is referenced, but no explanation on how to activate modes.
• No information on V Speeds (takeoff, approach or landing).  I have been using Vr as 105, 110 seems better.   Vapp at 120 or more depending on weight.  When asked in the support forum MilViz responded that their information used is copyrighted and can't be posted.
• No cruise tables, or indication on what cruise power should be. 
• RW aircraft apparently has a cancel button for the Gear Warning Horn on right throttle - I find and descending and leading to approach to slow to flap speed the horn gets pretty annoying. Manual makes no mention of it but it seems to be there and working.  Only way I found it was by reading about it in an unrelated real world test flight.  Tool tip lists it and the one on the left both as GA buttons.  Guess it pays to poke around!
• Appears to have an emergency gear system where release handle and pump handle move - no mention in manual
• Page 17 list wheel by throttle as trim, tool tips call in friction knob - functions as friction knob - as expected - don't turn it to 100% or your throttle won't move, perhaps lower values would help with a noisy throttle?
• Manual Page 5 says chart functionality, web page "This release does not include a chart viewer system"
• They included an XML Controls Variable pdf - no one reviewed (or cared enough to fix) the fact that in converting to a PDF the comments/notes/values were truncated and no longer lined up, just on pages by themselves. 

Seems to fly fine for the most part - VERY sensitive in pitch, very squirrely in turbulence, all which is probably very good modeling.

Was rotating at 105 but hard to unstick, 110 seems better on latest release.

I have read various real world reviews, some  that say 800+ deg can be maintained in climb but 785 is recommended.

Not clear what best ITT for cruise is.  Max TAS is listed as 402 at FL310 /Mach 0.70.  I was able to get a TAS of 353 TAS at FL310, ISA and an ITT of 810, 9,500lbs GW.  Cruise seems to be governed by ITT, RPM stays at max (1800) throughout the flight (true to life I believe).  

One real World EVO flight test says they were able to maintain 75% torque at FL350 ISA+5, MACH 0.64, no mention of ITT.  I set this up and got very close to same numbers, but ITT was very high at 823/825.  Since it is not covered in the manual hard to say if that ITT is maintainable for the engine.  It flashed warnings at 830.

I find approaches challenging.  Everything you do will require significant pitch trim changes going from neutral to almost full up pitch trim.  At 130 slowing to 120 pitch attitude even on short final is 5 deg nose down.  Pitch up does not bleed speed as quickly as it seems to cause an increase in VS, so time of power reduction and pitch up for landing attitude is tricky (fun).  Not sure if that much pitch down is realistic?

All the numbers I mention are just gleaned from the internet, would love input from anyone with some solid info.

Edited March 20, 2021 by Joe L

[taguilo 33]

3 hours ago, Joe L said:

 

I have read various real world reviews, some  that say 800+ deg can be maintained in climb but 785 is recommended.

Not clear what best ITT for cruise is.  Max TAS is listed as 402 at FL310 /Mach 0.70.  I was able to get a TAS of 353 TAS at FL310, ISA and an ITT of 810, 9,500lbs GW.  Cruise seems to be governed by ITT, RPM stays at max (1800) throughout the flight (true to life I believe).  

One real World EVO flight test says they were able to maintain 75% torque at FL350 ISA+5, MACH 0.64, no mention of ITT.  I set this up and got very close to same numbers, but ITT was very high at 823/825.  Since it is not covered in the manual hard to say if that ITT is maintainable for the engine.  It flashed warnings at 830.

 

Hi,

Max ITT in this aircraft is 830, so that was a reasonable ITT value. Props RPMs must be left at max (1800) in all flight phases.

 

Tomas

[Milviz 919]

We're looking at the activation issues and will respond as and when we can.

 

 Apologies...

[Milviz 919]

There is, apparently, a solution to the DRM activation on our forums (support)

[Mets737 193]

Did find the issue:

IN the ini file it says:
[GENERAL]
USERNAME=John Doe
COMPANYNAME=
PIDKEY=111-222-333-444

but it should say:
[GENERAL]
USERNAME=John Doe
COMPANYNAME=
KEY=111-222-333-444

[Otto Groschenbügel 6]

On 3/20/2021 at 9:54 PM, Joe L said:

As I said earlier in this thread, I managed to get it on the first release. No regrets, but . . .

 

Hi Joe,

are TrueGlass dynamic rain effects included ?

[Milviz 919]

No... They are not.  The windshield is very curved and slanted.  Rain effects would appear distorted due to this.  We decided not to include them.