Msfs 2020 and back to P3D question

[himmelhorse 1,276]

20 minutes ago, G-RFRY said:

i like to fly in places i don`t fly in P3D like Asia Philippines Java area. 

Mate, 

Do you even recognize Bali Denpasar, or Surabaya airports in MSFS.  I realize that you may not be a regular IRL visitor. I live in East Java and frequently transit through those airports.  In MSFS, they are not even remotely similar to the real world airports.  The same applies to Djakarta.

Airport quality is good even though it is very outdated.

Strangely, Denpasar features the toll bypass freeway which was built offshore, and this was built after a major upgrade to the airport. The tollway is there but the upgraded airport is not. Go figure.

Tony   

[turbomax 3,285]

3 hours ago, GSalden said:

"You can make P3Dv5 look a lot like MSFS but it will cost a lot of money."

really? 

"I'm gonna drink until she's beautiful, another drink and she is a 9, I turn the lights up and she smiles at me with both her teeth."

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no need to spend a lot of money to make P3D look pretty.

 

Edited March 6, 2021 by turbomax

[wwdavis 44]

Prepar3d v5 with hotfix hasn't given me 1 munutes worth of problems.  MSFS 2020 has taken too much of my time readjusting sensitivity settings,and lately, crashes with the latest update. I may be laid to my grave before MSFS is corrected enough for me to properly fly the sim. It is beautiful on the outside, but too much trouble to mess with at present . With ORBX and other add-ons, I think Prepar3d V5 looks just as good as MSFS 2020 without the extra hassle.

 

 

Bill Davis

Edited March 7, 2021 by wwdavis

[OzWhitey 3,353]

Prepar3d is designed for use with addons. If you want decent scenery, you buy it or make it.

Anyone who says P3D can’t be made to look good doesn’t know what they’re talking about.

There are lots of solutions, but: for GA, I would combine an A2A plane with orbs TrueEarth. For airliners, buy or make some Ortho, and combine it with pay ware airports and any of the great planes that are available for this platform (Maddog FTW!). 

MSFS is only better if you have very low standards for planes, and don’t want to do any work to make the sim shine.

 

[pmb 5,137]

4 minutes ago, OzWhitey said:

There are lots of solutions, but: for GA, I would combine an A2A plane with orbs TrueEarth.  

MSFS is only better if you have very low standards for planes, and don’t want to do any work to make the sim shine.

Or if you want to fly GA outside the few regions of the world covered by ORBX True Earth. In other words, the majority of the world.

Kind regards, Michael

[OzWhitey 3,353]

Just now, pmb said:

Or if you want to fly GA outside the few regions of the world covered by ORBX True Earth. In other words, the majority of the world.

Kind regards, Michael

Orbx Global plus OpenLC is the mainstream solution then, which looks pretty good.

I’m personally just making Ortho with worldwide coverage.

MSFS is superficially pretty, and as noted requires little effort. But it’s not nearly as good as P3D for simulating aviation, unless you’re wanting to fly something very simple like a cub.

[turbomax 3,285]

20 minutes ago, OzWhitey said:

MSFS......... unless you’re wanting to fly something very simple like a cub.

or a Citation Jet CJ4 using the free WorkingTitle mod, developed by real Citation Pilots.

Edited March 6, 2021 by turbomax

[pmb 5,137]

39 minutes ago, OzWhitey said:

I’m personally just making Ortho with worldwide coverage.

Been there, done that for X-Plane and AeroflyFS. As you know, raw aerial imagery has a number of issues including color mismatches and/or clouds, at least. Yes, you can overcome all these by photoshopping and tricks - if you have enough spare time at hand.

Next you need fitting autogen or whatever it's called or create this, too, e.g. using Scenproc. And according to my experience, the result still doesn't fit in the same way organically to the ground as in MSFS where ground, buildings, and trees are created from the same base dataset.

And in the end, when you're done with Southern Africa and want to fly in India or Russia you'll have to start over again.

I for one am more than happy I'll not have to set foot into this realm again. I have limited time for this hobby and prefer to spend it for actual flying instead of number-crunching.  For me, MSFS is a blessing, despite a number of shortcomings which I don't deny. 

And referring to the OP: I am not sure if I had more CTDs in MSFS since release or DXGI_ERROR_DEVICE_HUNG errors using EA since I bought P3D5.

Kind regards, Michael

[omarsmak30 4,068]

1 hour ago, OzWhitey said:

But it’s not nearly as good as P3D for simulating aviation, unless you’re wanting to fly something very simple like a cub.

How is that? 

[Rogen 1,087]

My 2 cents is...

Atm you won't beat MSFS for scenery look and feel, the idea of streaming scenery combined with autogen on the fly so to speak is a great idea. Plus additional hand creation rounds it out and the new gfx engine makes it nice and shiny.

Unfortunatelly the immature status of MSFS and the way MSFS updates means you'll be stuck on a Windows 10 type update bandwagon with a shot each way as to if things are going to go well or not. Essentually it will be a moving target for quite some time I'd say which will be hard on both users and development teams.

Flying P3D will bring stability with it's further spaced out (manual) updates and there is the option to trial an update and then rollback if needed.

In anycase both dev teams end up chasing bugs after release and we end up with hotfixes to resolve.

A big plus for P3D is of course there are many more planes to fly and P3D can look pretty nice with the right scenery.

For myself it was a no brainer to move to P3D v3 (from FSX) simply because I could bring my library of FSX scenery and planes with me, although the x64 move took a bit longer while devs caught up. So for myself I've had a great many years of use from scenry I've origionally purchased for FSX (Orbx in particular).

I certainly agree if P3D had the scenery option of MSFS I'd probably never see a reason to move but I doubt that is going to happen given the backing finance of MS and the large team of dev crew MS's money have bought, but who knows what the future will hold.

Also officially P3D is not marketed as a entertainment product although maybe they can officially change that now that MSFS is out.

Anyway choice of sim is a freedom for every one and a couple of P3D pics and planes just to show looking good is not only MSFS domain.

Cheers R

Edited March 7, 2021 by Rogen

[himmelhorse 1,276]

I have said it before and I think many others have as well, If they haven't then they have certainly thought about it.

P3D maturity with MSFS scenery and MSFS would not get a look in. 

MSFS will eventually get that maturity and probably before P3D gets the scenery.  

Never hurts to dream though

Tony

[Noel 4,499]

4 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

Hundreds and hundreds of posts on the MSFS forum, Facebook,  and Avsim and it is number 4 on Asobos list of things they are trying to fix. 

I've done zero mods of any kind, and just a few payware airports installed.  I always wonder if this is playing any role in this sort of thing.

[Noel 4,499]

2 hours ago, OzWhitey said:

Orbx Global plus OpenLC is the mainstream solution then, which looks pretty good.

Yeah, pretty good sums it up accurately.  Just not realistic compared to MSFS or presumably TruEarth.  And of course then there's the performanc whack.  I have no idea how TE performs w/ comparable to MSFS' Ultra settings, but I do know when I load up the NGXu and fly into FB's KSFO-HD w/ Orbx NCA enabled it's not pretty all.  Before long you've dialed sliders back so far you're really losing reality even more.  Best solution for P3D is flying from dusk to dawn where scenery doesn't matter, and performance is easy to achieve in the NGXu to any airport, because you can dial back scenery sliders to sparse and not notice it.   Works for me because I've concluded you can't put lipstick on a pig and get away with anything more than that approach offers.

[kevinfirth 1,394]

1 hour ago, Noel said:

performance is easy to achieve in the NGXu to any airport, because you can dial back scenery sliders to sparse and not notice it.

Tends to suggest the problem is insufficient hardware then?

[turbomax 3,285]

1 hour ago, Noel said:

"Best solution for P3D is flying from dusk to dawn where scenery doesn't matter"

turn the lights off, and she is as pretty as a top model.