15 minutes ago, Skymaster9999 said:

Yes, this is a problem, but Robert Young's turbo Bonanza is prime example, that skilled modder can fix even this behavior. Hope, he is OK.

I still experience this extreme effect in the modded bonanza.  Interesting suggestion further up to use take off assist, I turned all assists off on day 1 so might explore this a bit more

I am so glad to see this. I am a RW pilot, and constantly struggle with MSFS keeping the bird even close to center line. Its pretty comical sometimes.

I leave assists off cos it it is good practice for  that day IRL when, you know, you get a 60 knot crosswind component gusting every few seconds to 70 knots from completely the other direction.  Or maybe need to do a Hollywood style take off with bombs going off a few metres away from your aircraft.

Edited March 9, 20215 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick

Apples to oranges comparison, but it may have some merit  - FSX had "over the top" turbulence by default because I suppose, it made things more exciting for a simmer (I reduced mine from 1 to 0.8). Maybe, given the increased target audience (console users too) that such an exaggeration was coded into MSFS?

I believe if real plane were like this, runways would need some kind of containment walls and rollers on the sides of planes, like the Tamiya mini4wd toy cars.

you can't even taxi straight with crosswind without applying full rudder into the wind.

I don't know, if it's like this in real life I don't feel like trying to eventually get a license anymore.

Removed - duplicate post...

Edited March 9, 20215 yr by bobcat999

36 minutes ago, HighBypass said:

Apples to oranges comparison, but it may have some merit  - FSX had "over the top" turbulence by default because I suppose, it made things more exciting for a simmer (I reduced mine from 1 to 0.8). Maybe, given the increased target audience (console users too) that such an exaggeration was coded into MSFS?

I thought the turbulence was done quite well in MSFS. 
Response to wind on the ground is well overdone as we know, and can be difficult to deal with (probably an understatement!), but I have never had any complaints while in the air.

If anything, Xplane was the sim where I was constantly correcting and couldn't take my hand of the yoke for more than a few seconds, whereas I flew the MSFS default C172 between two of the Canary Islands the other day (few clouds), and it held very stable over the water.  I barely had to touch it once it was trimmed out.

In other areas, I have had spells of almost complete calm, to gentle nudging and rocking that normally returns to datum pretty much, to turbulence you get when crossing over or flying next to mountains, and even a 1000ft per minute updraft in storm clouds once.

Some people complain about simulators being 'on rails', others say things are too unstable.   It seems to me to be another subjective thing based on personal expectations - maybe they should have an intensity slider for it! 😀

From my limited experience of being in light aircraft, and about 100+ flights in airliners, I though MSFS feels about right.
What do people think is specifically wrong with it then?

Edited March 9, 20215 yr by bobcat999

12 minutes ago, EmaRacing said:

I believe if real plane were like this, runways would need some kind of containment walls and rollers on the sides of planes, like the Tamiya mini4wd toy cars.

you can't even taxi straight with crosswind without applying full rudder into the wind.

I don't know, if it's like this in real life I don't feel like trying to eventually get a license anymore.

Ground handling sucks in almost every flight sim. If you think it's bad in MSFS, try it in XPlane lol.

The reason it is so much harder to handle x-wind in any non motion sim is that in a real plane or a good full motion sim (think millions of $$$) you feel the slightest change in direction/rotation immediately.

In a non motion sim, you are relying on your eyes to interpret both motion and the effect of your inputs. 

Instead of reacting with correction in ½ second, it takes you 2 seconds or more and you easily get behind the sim. This happens in real planes as well, once you are behind the plane bad things happen.

In my experience with flight sims since 1990 on, no PC sim that is non motion is easy to control, especially a tail dragger in x-wind.

I have friends that have ground looped their taildraggers for real. And it is expensive and sometimes painful to recover from. The last one was just in December, I will not mention Ed by last name, but he is a 2500 hr pilot just starting tail draggers, and now is looking at deciding weather to scrap the wreck or start a long project. He went all the way into a ditch and flipped upside down on takeoff. So it happens in real planes more often than you think.

42 minutes ago, 177B said:

The reason it is so much harder to handle x-wind in any non motion sim is that in a real plane or a good full motion sim (think millions of $$$) you feel the slightest change in direction/rotation immediately.

In a non motion sim, you are relying on your eyes to interpret both motion and the effect of your inputs. 

This might be a reason indeed, as I find for example it is much easier to "sense" the effects of wind on final in VR than in 3D. When in VR, every movement takes a whole different dimension because the size of the world you're looking at is matching IRL and therefore you get finer cues for small movements than on a monitor (say 27" for example). The same is happening to me during flare, where I can sense the aircraft "falling" under me just by cutting engines.

Edited March 9, 20215 yr by RXP

1 hour ago, 177B said:

I have friends that have ground looped their taildraggers for real. And it is expensive and sometimes painful to recover from. The last one was just in December, I will not mention Ed by last name, but he is a 2500 hr pilot just starting tail draggers, and now is looking at deciding weather to scrap the wreck or start a long project. He went all the way into a ditch and flipped upside down on takeoff. So it happens in real planes more often than you think.

True, but you can not compare a ground loop in a conventional gear plane, with swerving all over the runway in a tricycle gear plane. It is very easy to ground loop a tail wheeled plane. Very easy. Regardless if there is any wind or not.

1 hour ago, GACSavannah said:

True, but you can not compare a ground loop in a conventional gear plane, with swerving all over the runway in a tricycle gear plane. It is very easy to ground loop a tail wheeled plane. Very easy. Regardless if there is any wind or not.

I have no problems with tricycle gear planes in MSFS. Maybe I have my sticks and yoke really tuned.

2 hours ago, 177B said:

n a non motion sim, you are relying on your eyes to interpret both motion and the effect of your inputs.

I don't think this is the problem for me, I can drive fast and clean in racing games without feeling anything.
The planes are uncontrollable on ground, you have no wheels and no rudder authority, wait one second and it's too much of both, then you have that immense turning radius unless you are doing 0.2kts with inside wheel full braking. no no.

I think the general consensus is the weather vaning on anything higher than 7 or 8kts is totally unrealistic.

I tried to turn on some assists last night, I think it was the take off rudder assist option.  Interestingly the descriptions says this is to help with rudder control on takeoff but doesn't mention landings?  Either way I felt I didn't really need my rudders at all in the crosswind which is one extreme to the other, so thats a no go for me.

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19 hours ago, GACSavannah said:

I am so glad to see this. I am a RW pilot, and constantly struggle with MSFS keeping the bird even close to center line. Its pretty comical sometimes.

Yep ditto 100% - I know there are more of us out there...  IDK if it's my controllers or what....  I did some more xwind tests today with "live" weather.  RWY 10L and 170019KT.  So almost a direct 19 kt crosswind.  Takeoff was smooth initially (I added a slight right aileron like you would) and then at 40 kias....BAM!  The Mooney jerked hard to the left....and I have to apply hard right rudder.... but then it almost "lets go" and I have to immediately take out the rudder I just applied.  I'm just all over the centerline on takeoff roll... haha I should have made a video.  And I'm someone who is constantly on the pedals (Saitek combat pro user here so nothing super fancy but they are still decent or have been in XP11 and P3D)....  so this isn't a case of "hey dummy use more rudder"

Landings were ok again until a certain point just a few secs after touchdown.... it's almost like the wind velocity drops off on short final, and blasts you as you're rolling out.... then the same rudder pedal dance.