47 minutes ago, xender said:

So today i wont be able to do it that way legally?

OK, lets start with RL basics to understand what legal or what is not.  First of all you have to be instrumented rated and your aircraft must certified for IFR. The navigation you will use will depend on IFR equipment your aircraft is capable of! Then you will have to file IFR flight plan and get approval.

Then you have to receive clearance limits (that is if you would loose you communication with ATC they know what to expect). If you depart from uncontrolled airport ATC/Flight Service will give time limit for departure. If you bust this limit your IFR flight plan will be cancel and it's it illegal to fly IFR unless you refile again. With controlled airport is easy, you roll to hold short area of assigned runway and wait for a squawk and released from ATC - and off you go. ATC will hand you over to next ATC sector. If you get to a "dead zone" they will expect you to report when you within ATC range. If you won't respond 30 minutes or more after ETA, SAR procedures will be initiated.

Most importantly you will be flight exactly as you filed unless ATC amend it and gives you different instructions. You will have to comply with all headings, altitudes, and speed restrictions issued by ATC within certain tolerances! Or your flying will be  considered as "pilot deviation"

You flight planning is an answer to all your questions. There are published routes that you might want to choose instead of from. Or you pick your own. However clearance/flight service ultimately decides  accept your flight plan or amend it. If they amend it they will issue different clearance/route that you would have to accept it and reprogram your nav equipment accordingly! Hope it helps!

One more last thing I forgot to mention. IRL I'm no aware if any  iPad or EFB that approved for IFR navigation. Only certified GPS units

An aircraft can legally fly outside the range of NDB/VOR, but would need to have GPS, or an INS.  As you're describing it would be VFR in uncontrolled airspace, flown by dead reckoning.  WWII bomber formations heavily navigated this way (once leaving the English cost). Properly corrected, this can be very accurate.  However, there's a reason aircraft commonly had a navigator position until 2-3 decades ago.  It is very labor intensive.  And usually you want to calibrate this triangulating position (from visual landmarks or beacons) and updating your position.  

5 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

as "pilot deviation"

😬

be prepared for :

 penalties for pilot deviations can range anywhere from a FAA Administrative or Enforcement Action, a “709” ride requirement, or even death.

 

 

Just now, polosim said:

😬

be prepared for :

 penalties for pilot deviations can range anywhere from a FAA Administrative or Enforcement Action, a “709” ride requirement, or even death.

 

 

or less lethal a call to ATC supervisor 🙂

Really interesting!

Thanks guys for all the inputs!

So in order to qualify as an ifr flight plan i need to be within range of a VOR/NDB at all times

Edited March 15, 20215 yr by xender

17 minutes ago, xender said:

Really interesting!

Thanks guys for all the inputs!

So in order to qualify as an ifr flight plan i need to be within range of a VOR/NDB at all times

It's impossible to be within range of VOR/NDB at all times, so no sir.

What I recommend is using Google, you'll find some excellent resources.  In this case, I'd Google "IFR Flight Rules" and "IFR Flightplan Requirements".  In fact, please remember that Flight Simulation has been around since before the public internet and most any question you can think of has been asked and answered countless times, and there have been a great many instructional websites places online to help people understand. Also, flight sim today mimicks real world aviation so well that the two are often interchangable knowledge wise.  There are countless excellent instructional websites for people like us!

Best wishes!

 

1 minute ago, DaveCT2003 said:

It's impossible to be within range of VOR/NDB at all times, so no sir.

What I recommend is using Google, you'll find some excellent resources.  In this case, I'd Google "IFR Flight Rules" and "IFR Flightplan Requirements".  In fact, please remember that Flight Simulation has been around since before the public internet and most any question you can think of has been asked and answered countless times, and there have been a great many instructional websites places online to help people understand. Also, flight sim today mimicks real world aviation so well that the two are often interchangable knowledge wise.  There are countless excellent instructional websites for people like us!

Best wishes!

Hi Dave! That's what im doing right now. Im reading the FAA rules as we speak 😄

What i mean by "in order to qualify as an IFR flight plan i need to be within range of a VOR/NDB at all times" is in the context of a small airplane (Piper arrow) that only has dual VOR receivers and NDB receiver and no GPS.

For such an airplane without GPS to Fly IFR it will need to:
a) be within range of VOR or NDB stations or
b) be within radar coverage.

If i understood correctly, i can't fly IFR legally if i dont have GPS, im outside of any radio beacon and im outside radar coverage.

8 minutes ago, xender said:

 

If i understood correctly, i can't fly IFR legally if i dont have GPS, im outside of any radio beacon and im outside radar coverage.

No! You can fly without GPS. However, you will be limited to VOR/NDB navigation. You don't need to fly VOR to VOR you can identify waypoint by using cross radial from two VORs or DME+radial. But yes nowdays without GPS you will be limited to VOR/NDB/ILS/LDA approaches and won't be able to fly RNP,RNAV and etc approaches

Interesting. I will need to plan accordingly to fly my arrow in a realistic manner. I was flying some segments just using dead reckoning thinking it was a valid technique for IFR

16 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

and won't be able to fly RNP,RNAV and etc approaches

But then again, neither can the 737 MAX at the moment. 🤣

I think you about have it right now. I don't really remember and am not going to look up regs at the moment but I think that you could not legally file and fly an IFR flight plan with no certified GPS and known gaps in VOR/NDB coverage. In reality, everyone has a GPS device that while it might not be certified (like your iPhone/iPad) it is going to be running as a backup device. While fun and necessary, swinging the needles and using dead reckoning will be comfortingly backed up with actual path on your iPad. 

On modern heavy equipment, oceanic crossings and the like will be done using certified GPS and inertial reference units as most of the flight will be out of range of terrestrial based radio navigation. 

4 hours ago, xender said:

So in that case my primary would be compass, chronometer, calculator and faith in ******* christ and the ipad would be only used as a confirmation?

Basically, yes but stick to the compass, chrono and calculator. Leave religion for when you're about to crash and burn.

iPad never the primary source. Should only be a confirmation of what you already have worked out and know. (A back up check)

Make it more than that and you're going to get lost when it breaks - because you'll have no Nav skills to fall back on. Get it now? Levels of Automation don't just refer to the aircraft.

Swat up;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_reckoning

 

Edited March 15, 20215 yr by Will Fly For Cheese

36 minutes ago, Chock said:

You're better off having faith in some Hindu malarkey, at least then if you crash you know you can come back for another go at it. 🤣

😄😄

1 hour ago, Chock said:

You're better off having faith in some Hindu malarkey, at least then if you crash you know you can come back for another go at it. 🤣

Love it; the religious equivalent of a guaranteed Go Around!

Edited March 15, 20215 yr by Will Fly For Cheese