1 minute ago, fogboundturtle said:

The Truth : MS Flight simulator is sold under Video Games  / Simulator category on Steam. So basically it's a game that simulate stuff.

Which is what every other commercial flight simulator is. X-Plane on steam is under the same category.

3 hours ago, Tom Wright said:

I'm still seriously considering buying an Xbox Series X so I can play MSFS in the living room,

I do this by using the "stream" feature on steam.  No performance loss by using this feature.  I use a xbox controller when simming on the couch and use my saitek input controls when simming downstairs.

This "is it a game or sim" argument is laughable. Somewhere around 50 people out of about 7billion on the planet actually care about the answer to this. I am in the 7billion.

On a more serious note. I have used the sim just once since SU3 and had to turn it off because I entered a permanent 5fps stutter show just before arrival in Sri Lanka. Can't be bothered to fly now since this bug is like a CTD and off putting. Waiting for a patch. I hope there is one coming.

Edited March 23, 20215 yr by sanh

2 hours ago, bhx22 said:

I think its the best thing we have ever had but you have too invest in decent hardware if you can simple.

I agree, but I have the best video card on the market and at the moment that doesnt get past the problem of the limited by main thread performance bug going on.

May be that is what is happening they are optimizing it for Xbox and the problems with frames, stutters and slowdowns are a pc based issue and not Xbox thus they don't really care about it right now.

 

46 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

I see the trend in the forum. When people upset MSFS become video game, when they excited MSFS is best sim ever. LOL

I will repeat it again for everyone P3D, XP11, MSFS, DCS, IL2 are video games marketed as simulators! Surprised? Let me explain you why! There are no recreational simulators in existence where you can buy it for $50-100, fly it then come to  you CFI and say: look I have 500 hours in such and such simulator will you sign my logbook for solo? Hello no, he will not!

 But don't be discouraged as student pilot you can use any training aid that can help you!  You can sit in chair and pretend it's cockpit, run checklists and procedures. You can put your hand up and visualize maneuvers! So video games can be your training aid as well as long as you know how to use it and it helps you to learn/polish something

Just remember that sometime Asobo will fix this fps drop. You will get tons of quality add ons and this thread rant will be only remembered as a good laugh! 

 

Yep, I absolutely agree with that. So people now upset about the performance bug and start labeling it as game. Fun fact, MSFS is actually based on FSX which is in the game category and same goes for P3D based on FSX 😄.

It's a real pity that Microsoft have "dumbed down" this brand into what is essentially just a flying game with pretty pictures (albeit at 5-10fps..).

R.I.P the Microsoft Flight Simulator brand. The bean counters win again.

 

 

Flight sim : we are drama.

That should be our motto. Seriously.

Edited March 23, 20215 yr by fogboundturtle

1 minute ago, TrafficPilot said:

It's a real pity that Microsoft have "dumbed down" this brand into what is essentially just a flying game with pretty pictures

They haven't dumbed down anything. MSFS is more realistic than FSX was when it came out.

Base FSX with the Expansion is 'dumber' than this sim.

Edited March 23, 20215 yr by Tuskin38

49 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

 

 this thread rant will be only remembered as a good laugh! 

 

 SD your own post fits very well in this thread.  Such threads have always a contrarian post like yours 🤣. No offence intended, just a friendly  teasing.  

Do not discard that a lot of us may not be a pilot but have been in flight simulation for a long time. We know all what you said.  We know that simming will never be real flying.  

I do not see this thread as the perennial "game vs sim" (I tend to avoid then now).

It is more about the worry we have to see the franchise going the wrong way. The dumb way.  There is a gap between what MS says and the reality of the product and its evolution since August last.

A flight simulator is a special kind of game. To be up to snuff it has to be a bit demanding on the user, it has to have some standards of complexity and quality. 

The  so-called "next gen" simulator is a bit lacking right now knowing that the development priority given to a console port and the update mess (update after update) are  not reassuring.

We may be very well wrong. I hope so. But, well, to show that we care (loudly) cannot do harm, right ?  

 

Edited March 23, 20215 yr by Dominique_K

16 minutes ago, sanh said:

This "is it a game or sim" argument is laughable. Somewhere around 50 people out of about 7billion on the planet actually care about the answer to this. I am in the 7billion.

 

And I am one of the 50. It's a simulator. I may change my mind if someone can explain how winners and losers are determined in MSFS --- a fundamental characteristic of games that is nonexistent in MSFS.

2 hours ago, MrFuzzy said:

 if you consider only the AAA titles there are at least 3 and the development of a completely new release usually does not take more than 3 years.

Well, tell that to all the folks who are waiting for Half Life 3. 

52 minutes ago, fogboundturtle said:

that's just BS. It still a simulator in every aspect.

...it is, in the way that Train Sim World, OMSI, and Eurotruck-Simulator are simulators. 

I find it comical these posts always seem to pop up after there has been a spell of good news for the sim.. lol

1 minute ago, Car147 said:

I find it comical these posts always seem to pop up after there has been a spell of good news for the sim.. lol

This is because they think Asobo is splitting their resources for the Xbox version. So now all simmers are angry at Asobo for the last SIm Update 3.Screw the xbox kiddies, I want my frame back.  If you give people back their frames, the complaining will stop. 

24 minutes ago, fogboundturtle said:

If you give people back their frames, the complaining will stop. 

No. 🙂