What's the future?

[G-RFRY 1,712]

I will pass on this thread on MSFS - P3D there will be another along anytime soon, Avsim is going down hill fast. 

[mpo910 2,112]

8 minutes ago, F737NG said:

Rather niche use of P3D Professional Plus if not military:

There's a lot of development time going into those type of features listed above.
Also, getting $60 - $200 for a few tens of thousands of home 'academic' / 'professional' simmers every 2-3 years doesn't seem to be a great way to use LM's resources to make money.

Just my 2 pennies.

You forget the biggest effort part:

DX12 came with 5.0. 

Your list does not include all deliverables. You have to add the academic licence releasenotes too.

Edited March 23, 2021 by mpo910

[mpo910 2,112]

17 minutes ago, F737NG said:

Rather niche use of P3D Professional Plus if not military:

There's a lot of development time going into those type of features listed above.
Also, getting $60 - $200 for a few tens of thousands of home 'academic' / 'professional' simmers every 2-3 years doesn't seem to be a great way to use LM's resources to make money.

Just my 2 pennies.

So much misleading information in this post. Really. You think they only make money with those licences? And only earn the prices they listed on their website??

LOL.....

Why don't stick to the topic. 

Edited March 23, 2021 by mpo910

[BostonJeremy77 519]

21 minutes ago, G-RFRY said:

I will pass on this thread on MSFS - P3D there will be another along anytime soon, Avsim is going down hill fast. 

I am so sorry to offend your sensibilities and contribute to Avsim going down hill faster. Back on your high horse you go.

[Simicro 247]

Guys,

Some of you are really incredible!

You still find the energy to participate to a Nth thread on MSFS - P3D 😉

[micstatic 4,319]

He’s not on a high horse. This thread is just redundant. If you would trouble yourself to browse and search you will find plenty of discussion on similar talks. 

[G-RFRY 1,712]

8 minutes ago, micstatic said:

He’s not on a high horse. This thread is just redundant. If you would trouble yourself to browse and search you will find plenty of discussion on similar talks. 

Exactly before MSFS remember the XP v P3D posted in this forum on a monthly bases by XP users now this, when the idea is use the sim that suits you and your hardware important as some cannot use some sims due hardware and Ethernet limitations.   

[simbol 5,819]

24 minutes ago, Simicro said:

Guys,

Some of you are really incredible!

You still find the energy to participate to a Nth thread on MSFS - P3D 😉

You are here too no? 😂😂😂

[F737MAX 5,604]

55 minutes ago, mpo910 said:

You forget the biggest effort part:

DX12 came with 5.0. 

Your list does not include all deliverables. You have to add the academic licence releasenotes too.

 

49 minutes ago, mpo910 said:

So much misleading information in this post. Really. You think they only make money with those licences? And only earn the prices they listed on their website??

LOL.....

Why don't stick to the topic. 

Seriously?!
What is your problem? That's three times you have completely misunderstood what I have written in this thread in just a few hours.

I responded to someone's question of "Is P3D really targeted at government/military users?"
I highlighted only the deliverables that were improved for the benefit of military users of Professional Plus. This was to show how development of these features would be a waste of LM's resources if, as suggested by someone else, P3D's main use was primarily by individual / home users like us here on Avsim.

Perhaps you should not reply to posts if you don't understand what is being written.

I'm done with this thread.

[Ray Proudfoot 8,954]

2 hours ago, BostonJeremy77 said:

What does P3D offer that MSFS doesn't?

Supersonic flight. 😁  When FS Labs release Concorde in all its 64-bit glory you’ll be able to hop over to JFK or even Boston Logan from little old England in just over 3 hours.

I dread to think how many gigabytes of data would be downloaded by a MSFS equivalent trying to draw scenery at Mach 2.02 or 23 miles a minute.

There is no date known when MSFS will support supersonic flight.

[kand 205]

34 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Supersonic flight. 😁  When FS Labs release Concorde in all its 64-bit glory you’ll be able to hop over to JFK or even Boston Logan from little old England in just over 3 hours.

I dread to think how many gigabytes of data would be downloaded by a MSFS equivalent trying to draw scenery at Mach 2.02 or 23 miles a minute.

There is no date known when MSFS will support supersonic flight.

hmmm

You do realise MSFS has a landclass based offline mode akin to the FSX/ESP platform? of course for the best experience online is preferred but you can easily align the 2 platforms for a vanilla comparison

From an FDE perspective, the legacy airfile system is still pedalled by MS as being intact, therefore an FSX based SSE airfile should theoretically work in MSFS, albeit the complexity of the systems modelled as C++ guages and DLLs will not work as not supported. 

I say pedalled as the engine modelling has issues which casts doubt on the above, but of course FSX was never perfect when it came to airfile tables and sim physics with errors present which need compensating.

I use FSX as a term because LM have done next to nothing improving the FDEs of P3d

[Ray Proudfoot 8,954]

6 minutes ago, kand said:

You do realise MSFS has a landclass based offline mode akin to the FSX/ESP platform? of course for the best experience online is preferred but you can easily align the 2 platforms for a vanilla comparison

Yes I’m aware of it but why bother when the current engine cannot support supersonic flight?

7 minutes ago, kand said:

From an FDE perspective, the legacy airfile system is still pedalled by MS as being intact, therefore an FSX based SSE airfile should theoretically work in MSFS, albeit the complexity of the systems modelled as C++ guages and DLLs will not work as not supported. 

I can guarantee you 100% the FS Labs Concorde-X for FSX would not work in MSFS. Specialist DLLs for one.

9 minutes ago, kand said:

I say pedalled as the engine modelling has issues which casts doubt on the above, but of course FSX was never perfect when it came to airfile tables and sim physics with errors present which need compensating.

I use FSX as a term because LM have done next to nothing improving the FDEs of P3d

It depends on the skill of the developer and in Andrew Wilson, FS Labs have the finest developer of Concorde around. His earlier version has been in use on the Concorde Simulator at Brooklands museum, England for many years. Their P3D 32-bit Concorde flies very close to the actual aircraft. Plenty will testify to that if you ask on the FS Labs forum.

[BostonJeremy77 519]

1 hour ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Supersonic flight. 😁  When FS Labs release Concorde in all its 64-bit glory you’ll be able to hop over to JFK or even Boston Logan from little old England in just over 3 hours.

I dread to think how many gigabytes of data would be downloaded by a MSFS equivalent trying to draw scenery at Mach 2.02 or 23 miles a minute.

There is no date known when MSFS will support supersonic flight.

Yup. True. And helicopters. And seasons. Those are a few things. But they ARE coming. But because they are NOT there, it's exactly why I am still using P3D in addition to MSFS. I forgot - does P3D support gliders?

I can't wait for FSLabs Concorde. I will have to buy it even though the Boeing Clipper was supposed to be my last P3D aircraft purchase. I even skipped PMDG 777 even though I own all their 747 and 737s. But I don't think I can resist the Concorde. And NOT the DC Designs one, because I know that one is coming for MSFS this year, but it won't be anything close to FSLabs. I haven't used the FSLabs one yet either - but I DO have their A3xx series and they are outstanding!

Edited March 24, 2021 by BostonJeremy77

[DrumsArt 270]

4 hours ago, jon b said:

I agree, however just to turn this around the other way , as an airline pilot that uses PC simulation both as a hobby and as tool for practice and familiarisation I’d say I’m not really MSFS targeted audience.

MSFS as it is now is way too limited and game like for what I need. Maybe it’s improved? I’ve not used it for a few months, I can’t be bothered with the multi-hour mandatory downloads every time I try and load it up, so I’ve left it alone.

I’ll probably use it again once it’s out on the Xbox and I can go flying in formation with my son, but for now it’s taking up valuable hard drive space so it might be heading for the recycle bin.It’s very pretty, but superficially so , and when complex airliners do arrive will it still be able to look so pretty above 15 FPS? I don’t know.

Having just flown over Europe in VR using P3D 5.1 , EA  on, Orbx LC Europe and Germany regions , on a route I flew for real yesterday morning at FL380 , it was an an exact replica. The view out of my virtual windscreen Was honestly  lacking nothing and I don’t know how it could  have been improved upon.

Of course if you just fly light GA VFR your mileage may vary between sims, but even there personally  I still prefer Orbx true earth to the streaming bing and AI stuff, too many errant trees.

 

 

I agree 100% with the totality of your post.I have made about ten great flights in ten days with the Maddog in this region. If I can, I recommend you to add the Norway region.  You should like it.

Richard.

[Ray Proudfoot 8,954]

24 minutes ago, BostonJeremy77 said:

Yup. True. And helicopters. And seasons. Those are a few things. But they ARE coming.

How long is unknown of course. They have to get the basic sim stabilised first and that still seems like some way away.

26 minutes ago, BostonJeremy77 said:

I can't wait for FSLabs Concorde. I will have to buy it even though the Boeing Clipper was supposed to be my last P3D aircraft purchase. I even skipped PMDG 777 even though I own all their 747 and 737s. But I don't think I can resist the Concorde. And NOT the DC Designs one, because I know that one is coming for MSFS this year, but it won't be anything close to FSLabs. I haven't used the FSLabs one yet either - but I DO have their A3xx series and they are outstanding!

The less expensive simpler Concordes aren’t a patch on the FS Labs one and their developers would be the first to accept that. There will be people who are perfectly happy to buy the simpler version because the real thing can be daunting to the uninitiated.

You don’t need any more twin-engine sub-sonic aircraft that toddle along at Mach 0.83 or thereabouts. Vr for Concorde on the EGLL-KJFK run was 194kts and by the time the wheels left the ground it was doing 220kts with full reheat.

Nothing can compare to that except military jets but they lack the range and beauty of Concorde. Forget VNAV and LNAV. It’s a whole new world of flying and you’ll love it!  3, 2, 1, NOW, 😁