MSFS bug? Only one livery per model at a time

[honanhal 1,420]

I'm increasingly convinced that the current version of MSFS is somehow interpreting PSX traffic to limit each model type (e.g. 77L, 77W, A320 CFM, etc.) to a single livery, regardless of whether the appropriate liveries are available. Here's what I recently ended up with at WSS, showing the data PSX was providing (as visible in Little Navmap) on the left and whether it showed a correct livery. Now for some of these (in italics) it's WAD because no livery was available. But for others, which I've marked with an asterisk and bolded, the appropriate livery was installed and available, but it still showed the wrong livery -- notably, one already being shown (correctly) for other injected traffic:

TGW A320 -- correct, Scoot
HVN A321 -- correct, Vietnam
SIA 77W -- correct, Singapore
*UAE 77W -- incorrect, Singapore (livery available)
*QTR 77W -- incorrect, Singapore (livery available)
CES A320 -- correct, China Eastern
UAE 77L -- correct, UAE
*AIC 788 -- incorrect, Scoot (livery available)
IGO A320 -- correct, Indigo
*CKK 77L -- incorrect, UAE (livery available)
*EVA 77W -- incorrect, Singapore (livery available)
SIA 744 -- correct, Singapore
SIA A359 -- incorrect, Lufthansa (no livery available)
SIA B738 -- incorrect, Kulula (no livery available)

 You'll notice the only model that shows up repeatedly with different liveries is the A320. I can't check that in LNM, but my strong suspicion is that these are actually distinct models (e.g. winglets or not, CFM vs. IAE etc.).

Has anyone else observed this? I've flown out of WSSS a bunch lately, and in hindsight this explains why I seem to always get a bunch of Singapore 777s or a bunch of EVA 777s -- but never both.

James

[kiek 1,215]

Hi James.

It is not very likely that you are right because the matching algorithm is 5 years old already.

Please run a session with Logging of live matching checked, and post the Log.txt here. Also post your AI_liveries.xml. Than we can discuss your findings based on the facts.

Nico

Edited May 17, 2021 by kiek

[honanhal 1,420]

Nico, thanks, I will.

To be clear, it seems from what I can see that the PSX matching is working perfectly, just that MSFS is perhaps then somehow "simplifying" the liveries actually displayed in the sim in the next step. For example, I'm not getting a "missed liveries" note for the liveries that aren't showing up -- I think because as far as PSX can tell they're not "missed." But for some reason they're still not showing up in MSFS.

I just ran WSSS at the same time after restarting the sim (the parked statics are close to identical from the list I posted) and now instead of Singapore 77Ws everywhere, it's BAW 77Ws everwhere, even though I can see in LNM that only one of them is "supposed to be" BAW.

Anyway, I'll be back with a log.txt and AI_liveries.xml.

James

[honanhal 1,420]

Link to AI_liveries.xml: https://drive.google.com/file/d/14QdZ2TI6iXWkTTRkCMO3vFTdgFhHF9kw/view?usp=sharing

And the log.txt:

Mon May 17 14:48:48 2021 (utc) PSXT_MSFS version 22.6 for MSFS

********************************** parameters **********************************
from C:\Users\James\AppData\Roaming\PSXT_MSFS\parameters.xml
MAIN_WINDOW_X=400
MAIN_WINDOW_Y=20
REMOVE_FALSE_THRESHOLD=50
PROGRAM_VERSION=22.6
INSTALL_PATH=E:\MSFS Utilities\PSXT_MSFS
LIVERIES_FOLDER=E:\MSFS Utilities\AILG_MSFS\liveries
AIRPORTS_FOLDER=E:\MSFS Utilities\PPG_MSFS\airports
VERSION_CHECKED_AT=May 14, 2021
LIGHT_AIRCRAFT=true
HELICOPTERS=true
LOG_APF_CHANGES=false
RANDOM=true
ADD_ORIG_DEST=false
ALWAYS_ON_TOP=false
AUTO_MODE=false
LOG_MATCH_LIVE=true
LOG_MATCH_STATIC=false
LOG_PARK_CHANGES=true
COLLISION_LIVE_PARKED_GND=true
LATERAL_RANGE=40
MATCHING_DEPTH=10
PARKED_MATCHING_DEPTH=8
BLOCK_CALLSIGN=
********************************************************************************

A new version is available at https://www.lekseecon.nl
Aircraft type information read from data\types.xml, PSXseeconTraffic-20.2-Jan 14, 2021
77 aircraft heights from C:\Users\James\AppData\Roaming\PSXT_MSFS\avg_heights.txt
Wingspan information read from data\wingspan.xml, PSXseeconTraffic + Nico-20.2-April 28, 2021

********************************************** liveries summary **********************************************
wrong airline length: BASE
missing elements in a an .xml line: B739;1;0;B739WBASEWL
1409 liveries read from file E:\MSFS Utilities\AILG_MSFS\liveries\AI_liveries.xml, AILG_MSFS-1.0-Dec 12, 2020
2 registration codes found in the liveries of the user
634 unique airlines, 31 unique aircraft types
Similar aircraft types read from data\types.xml, PSXseeconTraffic-20.2-Jan 14, 2021
No generic liveries
472 liveries in aircraft category Heavy
913 liveries in aircraft category Middle
24 liveries in aircraft category Light
No livery found in aircraft category Heli
Extra category Helicopters deselected while there are no Helicopter liveries
28969 registration codes + Airline + Type added from data\regcodes.xml, AILGenerator+Nico-5.2-April 29, 2021
**************************************************************************************************************

10212 airports found in data\airports.xml, ParkPosGenerator + Nico-19.4-Jan 10, 2021
Waiting for Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 ...
Microsoft Flight Simulator (11.0.282174.999) connected 
User ac title: Airbus A320 AirAsia
User ac model: A20N, half wing span: 17.8 meter, category: Middle
User ac status: on ground
The parking airport is WSSS (SIN)
User aircraft on the ground at WSSS (SIN)
Parking percentage set from airport file: 100
Airport file parked_updates\WSSS.xml for , PPG_MSFS-3.0-May  9, 2021
    supplier: MSFS ORBX
    altitude feet: 24
    home base: 
    max two: 
    parking positions: 145
        4 with real=true option(-s) (2%), average 24 hours coverage is 12%, 1 airline
        33 with real=false option(-s) (22%), average 24 hours coverage is 12%, 17 different airlines
        ============================================================================================
        35 with real and/or non real option(-s) (24%), average 24 hours coverage is 12, 17 different airlines
    actual hour only: 0
    real only: 0
    last update: May 17, 2021

14:48:49 Real is off, Actual hour is off
There are 35 parking positions with valid options at 15:00 (utc) +/- 12 hours
35 parking positions to be filled = 24% (vs wanted 100%)
Waiting for data provider to connect to PSXT_MSFS ...
Data provider connected
Traffic Reader connected
QNH Reader connected
QNH=1009
UAE448   A6-EGE    KUL->AKL UAE B77W =3= B77WUAE
14:49:33 Live: 1, parked live: 0, parked static: 35
UAE448   A6-EGE    KUL->AKL UAE B77W was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2099, status: 2
SIA36_    SIA B738 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2098, status: 2
TGW35_    TGW A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2097, status: 2
CES34_    CES A332 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2096, status: 2
TGW33_    TGW A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2095, status: 2
SIA32_    SIA A359 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2094, status: 2
TGW31_    TGW A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2093, status: 2
TGW30_    TGW A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2092, status: 2
KAL29_    KAL B77W was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2091, status: 2
SIA28_    SIA B738 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2090, status: 2
TGW27_    TGW A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2089, status: 2
TGW26_    TGW A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2088, status: 2
TGW25_    TGW A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2087, status: 2
TGW24_    TGW A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2086, status: 2
IGO23_    IGO A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2085, status: 2
BAW22_    BAW B77W was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2084, status: 2
AIC21_    AIC B788 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2083, status: 2
IGO20_    IGO A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2082, status: 2
SIA19_    SIA B77W was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2081, status: 2
IGO18_    IGO A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2080, status: 2
UAE17_    UAE B77W was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2079, status: 2
HVN16_    HVN A321 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2078, status: 2
HVN15_    HVN A321 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2077, status: 2
TGW14_    TGW A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2076, status: 2
TGW13_    TGW A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2075, status: 2
IGO12_    IGO A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2074, status: 2
HVN11_    HVN A321 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2073, status: 2
EVA10_    EVA B77W was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2072, status: 2
UAE9_     UAE B77L was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2071, status: 2
AIC8_     AIC B788 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2070, status: 2
TGW7_     TGW B788 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2069, status: 2
TGW6_     TGW A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2068, status: 2
CES5_     CES A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2067, status: 2
TGW4_     TGW A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2066, status: 2
SIA3_     SIA B77W was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2065, status: 2
TGW2_     TGW A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2064, status: 2
! Simconnect unrecognized ID Exception, sendID 9507
14:57:17 Flight not running
14:57:18 Flight resumed
14:57:21 Flight not running
Reconnecting to Flight Simulator after 20 seconds
Livery cache usage: 0%, add 1, rem 0, hit 0
Waiting for Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 ...
Microsoft Flight Simulator (11.0.282174.999) connected 
User ac title: Airbus A320 AirAsia
User ac model: A20N, half wing span: 17.8 meter, category: Middle
User ac status: in the air
Reconnecting to Flight Simulator after 12 seconds
Livery cache usage: 0%, add 0, rem 0, hit 0
Waiting for Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 ...
QNH Reader has stopped
Exiting: USER CLOSED SIM
14:58:21 User closed PSXT_MSFS
Livery cache usage: 0%, add 0, rem 0, hit 0

******************************* live traffic livery matching summary *******************************
Matches at step: 
  1: 0
  2: 0
  3: 1
  4: 0
  5: 0
  6: 0
  7: 0
  8: 0
  9: 0
  A: 0
****************************************************************************************************

Traffic Reader has stopped
MAIN_WINDOW_X=400
MAIN_WINDOW_Y=20
Mon May 17 14:58:22 2021

[honanhal 1,420]

And finally a couple of pictures of what I'm talking about in MSFS:

Note that it should be an AIC 788 and three 77Ws: BAW, UAE, and SIA. All of these liveries are installed (as you can see from my AI_liveries.xml).

What shows up is a Scoot (TGW) 788 and three SIA 77Ws.

[kiek 1,215]

8 minutes ago, honanhal said:

And finally a couple of pictures of what I'm talking about in MSFS:

Note that it should be an AIC 788 and three 77Ws: BAW, UAE, and SIA. All of these liveries are installed (as you can see from my AI_liveries.xml).

What shows up is a Scoot (TGW) 788 and three SIA 77Ws.

These are all static ai aircraft (indicated by a trailing underscore). Could you also switch on Logging of static matching and post again.

EDIT:

and what about all this in your Log:

CES34_    CES A332 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2096, status: 2
TGW33_    TGW A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2095, status: 2
SIA32_    SIA A359 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2094, status: 2
TGW31_    TGW A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2093, status: 2
TGW30_    TGW A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2092, status: 2
KAL29_    KAL B77W was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2091, status: 2
SIA28_    SIA B738 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2090, status: 2
TGW27_    TGW A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2089, status: 2
TGW26_    TGW A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2088, status: 2
TGW25_    TGW A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2087, status: 2
TGW24_    TGW A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2086, status: 2
IGO23_    IGO A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2085, status: 2
BAW22_    BAW B77W was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2084, status: 2

...

Did you switch off MSFS AI traffic? And FSUIPC traffic limiter ...

Edited May 17, 2021 by kiek

[honanhal 1,420]

Sorry, of course I should have mentioned these are static aircraft. Here it is (this time those same three 77Ws all showed up as UAE, for what it's worth).

Mon May 17 15:19:19 2021 (utc) PSXT_MSFS version 22.6 for MSFS

********************************** parameters **********************************
from C:\Users\James\AppData\Roaming\PSXT_MSFS\parameters.xml
MAIN_WINDOW_X=400
MAIN_WINDOW_Y=20
REMOVE_FALSE_THRESHOLD=50
PROGRAM_VERSION=22.6
INSTALL_PATH=E:\MSFS Utilities\PSXT_MSFS
LIVERIES_FOLDER=E:\MSFS Utilities\AILG_MSFS\liveries
AIRPORTS_FOLDER=E:\MSFS Utilities\PPG_MSFS\airports
VERSION_CHECKED_AT=May 14, 2021
LIGHT_AIRCRAFT=true
HELICOPTERS=true
LOG_APF_CHANGES=false
RANDOM=true
ADD_ORIG_DEST=false
ALWAYS_ON_TOP=false
AUTO_MODE=false
LOG_MATCH_LIVE=true
LOG_MATCH_STATIC=true
LOG_PARK_CHANGES=true
COLLISION_LIVE_PARKED_GND=true
LATERAL_RANGE=40
MATCHING_DEPTH=10
PARKED_MATCHING_DEPTH=8
BLOCK_CALLSIGN=
********************************************************************************

A new version is available at https://www.lekseecon.nl
Aircraft type information read from data\types.xml, PSXseeconTraffic-20.2-Jan 14, 2021
77 aircraft heights from C:\Users\James\AppData\Roaming\PSXT_MSFS\avg_heights.txt
Wingspan information read from data\wingspan.xml, PSXseeconTraffic + Nico-20.2-April 28, 2021

********************************************** liveries summary **********************************************
wrong airline length: BASE
missing elements in a an .xml line: B739;1;0;B739WBASEWL
1409 liveries read from file E:\MSFS Utilities\AILG_MSFS\liveries\AI_liveries.xml, AILG_MSFS-1.0-Dec 12, 2020
2 registration codes found in the liveries of the user
634 unique airlines, 31 unique aircraft types
Similar aircraft types read from data\types.xml, PSXseeconTraffic-20.2-Jan 14, 2021
No generic liveries
472 liveries in aircraft category Heavy
913 liveries in aircraft category Middle
24 liveries in aircraft category Light
No livery found in aircraft category Heli
Extra category Helicopters deselected while there are no Helicopter liveries
28969 registration codes + Airline + Type added from data\regcodes.xml, AILGenerator+Nico-5.2-April 29, 2021
**************************************************************************************************************

10212 airports found in data\airports.xml, ParkPosGenerator + Nico-19.4-Jan 10, 2021
Waiting for Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 ...
Microsoft Flight Simulator (11.0.282174.999) connected 
User ac title: Airbus A320 AirAsia
User ac model: A20N, half wing span: 17.8 meter, category: Middle
User ac status: on ground
The parking airport is WSSS (SIN)
User aircraft on the ground at WSSS (SIN)
Parking percentage set from airport file: 100
Airport file parked_updates\WSSS.xml for , PPG_MSFS-3.0-May  9, 2021
    supplier: MSFS ORBX
    altitude feet: 24
    home base: 
    max two: 
    parking positions: 145
        4 with real=true option(-s) (2%), average 24 hours coverage is 12%, 1 airline
        33 with real=false option(-s) (22%), average 24 hours coverage is 12%, 17 different airlines
        ============================================================================================
        35 with real and/or non real option(-s) (24%), average 24 hours coverage is 12, 17 different airlines
    actual hour only: 0
    real only: 0
    last update: May 17, 2021

15:19:22 Real is off, Actual hour is off
There are 35 parking positions with valid options at 15:00 (utc) +/- 12 hours
35 parking positions to be filled = 24% (vs wanted 100%)
Waiting for data provider to connect to PSXT_MSFS ...
Data provider connected
Traffic Reader connected
QNH Reader connected
QNH=1010
TGW2_     TGW B788 =3= B788TGW
TGW3_     TGW A320 =3= A320WTGWWL
UAE4_     UAE B77L =3= B77LUAE
UAE5_     UAE B77W =3= B77WUAE
AIC6_     AIC B788 =3= B788AIC
HVN7_     HVN A321 =3= A321HVN
SIA8_     SIA B738 =6= B738WMAYWL
SIA9_     SIA B77W =3= B77WSIA
HVN10_    HVN A321 =3= A321HVN
SIA11_    SIA B77W =3= B77WSIA
CES12_    CES A320 =3= A320WCESWL
TGW13_    TGW A320 =3= A320WTGWWL
TGW14_    TGW A320 =3= A320WTGWWL
TGW15_    TGW A320 =3= A320WTGWWL
IGO16_    IGO A320 =3= A320IGO
TGW17_    TGW A320 =3= A320WTGWWL
IGO18_    IGO A320 =3= A320WIGOWL
TGW19_    TGW A320 =3= A320WTGWWL
HVN20_    HVN A321 =3= A321HVN
EVA21_    EVA B77W =3= B77WEVA
TGW22_    TGW A320 =3= A320WTGWWL
TGW23_    TGW A320 =3= A320WTGWWL
IGO24_    IGO A320 =3= A320WIGOWL
TGW25_    TGW A320 =3= A320WTGWWL
TGW26_    TGW A320 =3= A320WTGWWL
BAW27_    BAW B77W =3= B77WBAW
TGW28_    TGW A320 =3= A320WTGWWL
TGW29_    TGW A320 =3= A320WTGWWL
AIC30_    AIC B788 =3= B788AIC
UAE31_    UAE B77L =3= B77LUAE
IGO32_    IGO A320 =3= A320WIGOWL
KAL33_    KAL B77W =3= B77WKAL
TGW34_    TGW A320 =3= A320WTGWWL
SIA35_    SIA B738 =6= B738WCAGWL
CES36_    CES A332 =3= A332CES
KAL645   HL7782    ICN->SIN KAL B77W =3= B77WKAL
KAL645   HL7782    ICN->SIN KAL B77W was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2484, status: 2
CES36_    CES A332 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2085, status: 2
SIA35_    SIA B738 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2084, status: 2
TGW34_    TGW A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2083, status: 2
KAL33_    KAL B77W was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2082, status: 2
IGO32_    IGO A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2081, status: 2
UAE31_    UAE B77L was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2080, status: 2
AIC30_    AIC B788 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2079, status: 2
! Simconnect unrecognized ID Exception, sendID 2906
TGW29_    TGW A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2078, status: 2
TGW28_    TGW A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2077, status: 2
BAW27_    BAW B77W was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2076, status: 2
TGW26_    TGW A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2075, status: 2
TGW25_    TGW A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2074, status: 2
IGO24_    IGO A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2073, status: 2
TGW23_    TGW A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2072, status: 2
TGW22_    TGW A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2071, status: 2
EVA21_    EVA B77W was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2070, status: 2
HVN20_    HVN A321 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2069, status: 2
TGW19_    TGW A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2068, status: 2
IGO18_    IGO A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2067, status: 2
TGW17_    TGW A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2066, status: 2
IGO16_    IGO A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2065, status: 2
TGW15_    TGW A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2064, status: 2
TGW14_    TGW A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2063, status: 2
TGW13_    TGW A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2062, status: 2
CES12_    CES A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2061, status: 2
SIA11_    SIA B77W was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2060, status: 2
HVN10_    HVN A321 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2059, status: 2
SIA9_     SIA B77W was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2058, status: 2
SIA8_     SIA B738 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2057, status: 2
HVN7_     HVN A321 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2056, status: 2
AIC6_     AIC B788 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2055, status: 2
UAE5_     UAE B77W was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2054, status: 2
UAE4_     UAE B77L was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2053, status: 2
TGW3_     TGW A320 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2052, status: 2
TGW2_     TGW B788 was removed from Sim by another program!, id: 2051, status: 2
15:21:26 Flight not running
15:21:27 Flight resumed
15:21:29 Flight not running
Reconnecting to Flight Simulator after 20 seconds
Livery cache usage: 0%, add 1, rem 0, hit 0
Waiting for Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 ...
Microsoft Flight Simulator (11.0.282174.999) connected 
User ac title: Airbus A320 AirAsia
User ac model: A20N, half wing span: 17.8 meter, category: Middle
Reconnecting to Flight Simulator after 12 seconds
Livery cache usage: 0%, add 0, rem 0, hit 0
Waiting for Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 ...
QNH Reader has stopped
send data to DP failed: Connection reset by peer
Exiting: USER CLOSED SIM
15:22:16 User closed PSXT_MSFS
Livery cache usage: 0%, add 0, rem 0, hit 0

******************************* live traffic livery matching summary *******************************
Matches at step: 
  1: 0
  2: 0
  3: 1
  4: 0
  5: 0
  6: 0
  7: 0
  8: 0
  9: 0
  A: 0
****************************************************************************************************

Traffic Reader has stopped
MAIN_WINDOW_X=400
MAIN_WINDOW_Y=20
Mon May 17 15:22:17 2021
 

[Bert Pieke 7,585]

2 hours ago, honanhal said:

To be clear, it seems from what I can see that the PSX matching is working perfectly, just that MSFS is perhaps then somehow "simplifying" the liveries actually displayed in the sim in the next step.

We notice the same behavior in MSFS Multiplayer.. multiple liveries flown, all liveries get reduced to the same livery for all.   The displayed livery can change during the flight, but then all change at the same time.

Edited May 17, 2021 by Bert Pieke

[kiek 1,215]

==> From your Log:

35 parking positions to be filled = 24% (vs wanted 100%)

TGW2_     TGW B788 =3= B788TGW
TGW3_     TGW A320 =3= A320WTGWWL
UAE4_     UAE B77L =3= B77LUAE
UAE5_     UAE B77W =3= B77WUAE
AIC6_     AIC B788 =3= B788AIC
HVN7_     HVN A321 =3= A321HVN
SIA8_     SIA B738 =6= B738WMAYWL
SIA9_     SIA B77W =3= B77WSIA
HVN10_    HVN A321 =3= A321HVN
SIA11_    SIA B77W =3= B77WSIA
CES12_    CES A320 =3= A320WCESWL
TGW13_    TGW A320 =3= A320WTGWWL
TGW14_    TGW A320 =3= A320WTGWWL
TGW15_    TGW A320 =3= A320WTGWWL
IGO16_    IGO A320 =3= A320IGO
TGW17_    TGW A320 =3= A320WTGWWL
IGO18_    IGO A320 =3= A320WIGOWL
TGW19_    TGW A320 =3= A320WTGWWL
HVN20_    HVN A321 =3= A321HVN
EVA21_    EVA B77W =3= B77WEVA
TGW22_    TGW A320 =3= A320WTGWWL
TGW23_    TGW A320 =3= A320WTGWWL
IGO24_    IGO A320 =3= A320WIGOWL
TGW25_    TGW A320 =3= A320WTGWWL
TGW26_    TGW A320 =3= A320WTGWWL
BAW27_    BAW B77W =3= B77WBAW
TGW28_    TGW A320 =3= A320WTGWWL
TGW29_    TGW A320 =3= A320WTGWWL
AIC30_    AIC B788 =3= B788AIC
UAE31_    UAE B77L =3= B77LUAE
IGO32_    IGO A320 =3= A320WIGOWL
KAL33_    KAL B77W =3= B77WKAL
TGW34_    TGW A320 =3= A320WTGWWL
SIA35_    SIA B738 =6= B738WCAGWL
CES36_    CES A332 =3= A332CES

==> All 35 static aircraft are correctly matched with the right airline and type (indicated with =3=) 

KAL645   HL7782    ICN->SIN KAL B77W =3= B77WKAL

==> 1 Live aircraft is also correctly matched 

PSXT_MSFS has created all these liveries in your sim, but afterwards some other program (not PSXT_MSFS) removes these liveries while they were active (status =2).

 15:21:26 Flight not running

There is an interrupt? What is going on there?

Why do you quit MSFS so soon, could not you let MSFS run a little longer?

Also check your MSFS settings, they should be exactly as indicated in my PSXT_MSFS document.

[honanhal 1,420]

Nico, your questions about interrupts etc. seem to have simply been because I was closing MSFS first, then PSXT after. Sorry about that confusion! This time I closed PSXT first and you'll see there's none of that stuff in the log, below.

I checked and all settings match your MSFS readme. I had "use generic AI liveries" set to on and turned it off just in case. No change (as below).

First, two shots showing where there's evidently a mismatch between the simconnect data (as shown in LNM) and what's actually shown as the livery (the log also shows these as correctly matched):

And the log. As expected, all the matching appears to have worked, live and static alike. But again, a given model seems to just stick to the first livery loaded in the sim:

Mon May 17 18:42:54 2021 (utc) PSXT_MSFS version 22.6 for MSFS

********************************** parameters **********************************
from C:\Users\James\AppData\Roaming\PSXT_MSFS\parameters.xml
MAIN_WINDOW_X=400
MAIN_WINDOW_Y=20
REMOVE_FALSE_THRESHOLD=50
PROGRAM_VERSION=22.6
INSTALL_PATH=E:\MSFS Utilities\PSXT_MSFS
LIVERIES_FOLDER=E:\MSFS Utilities\AILG_MSFS\liveries
AIRPORTS_FOLDER=E:\MSFS Utilities\PPG_MSFS\airports
VERSION_CHECKED_AT=May 14, 2021
LIGHT_AIRCRAFT=true
HELICOPTERS=true
LOG_APF_CHANGES=false
RANDOM=true
ADD_ORIG_DEST=false
ALWAYS_ON_TOP=false
AUTO_MODE=false
LOG_MATCH_LIVE=true
LOG_MATCH_STATIC=true
LOG_PARK_CHANGES=true
COLLISION_LIVE_PARKED_GND=true
LATERAL_RANGE=40
MATCHING_DEPTH=10
PARKED_MATCHING_DEPTH=8
BLOCK_CALLSIGN=
********************************************************************************

A new version is available at https://www.lekseecon.nl
Aircraft type information read from data\types.xml, PSXseeconTraffic-20.2-Jan 14, 2021
77 aircraft heights from C:\Users\James\AppData\Roaming\PSXT_MSFS\avg_heights.txt
Wingspan information read from data\wingspan.xml, PSXseeconTraffic + Nico-20.2-April 28, 2021

********************************************** liveries summary **********************************************
wrong airline length: BASE
missing elements in a an .xml line: B739;1;0;B739WBASEWL
1409 liveries read from file E:\MSFS Utilities\AILG_MSFS\liveries\AI_liveries.xml, AILG_MSFS-1.0-Dec 12, 2020
2 registration codes found in the liveries of the user
634 unique airlines, 31 unique aircraft types
Similar aircraft types read from data\types.xml, PSXseeconTraffic-20.2-Jan 14, 2021
No generic liveries
472 liveries in aircraft category Heavy
913 liveries in aircraft category Middle
24 liveries in aircraft category Light
No livery found in aircraft category Heli
Extra category Helicopters deselected while there are no Helicopter liveries
28969 registration codes + Airline + Type added from data\regcodes.xml, AILGenerator+Nico-5.2-April 29, 2021
**************************************************************************************************************

10212 airports found in data\airports.xml, ParkPosGenerator + Nico-19.4-Jan 10, 2021
Waiting for Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 ...
Microsoft Flight Simulator (11.0.282174.999) connected 
User ac title: Airbus A320 AirAsia
User ac model: A20N, half wing span: 17.8 meter, category: Middle
User ac status: on ground
The parking airport is WSSS (SIN)
User aircraft on the ground at WSSS (SIN)
Parking percentage set from airport file: 100
Airport file parked_updates\WSSS.xml for , PPG_MSFS-3.0-May  9, 2021
    supplier: MSFS ORBX
    altitude feet: 24
    home base: 
    max two: 
    parking positions: 145
        4 with real=true option(-s) (2%), average 24 hours coverage is 12%, 1 airline
        33 with real=false option(-s) (22%), average 24 hours coverage is 12%, 17 different airlines
        ============================================================================================
        35 with real and/or non real option(-s) (24%), average 24 hours coverage is 12, 17 different airlines
    actual hour only: 0
    real only: 0
    last update: May 17, 2021

18:42:56 Real is off, Actual hour is off
There are 35 parking positions with valid options at 19:00 (utc) +/- 12 hours
35 parking positions to be filled = 24% (vs wanted 100%)
Waiting for data provider to connect to PSXT_MSFS ...
Data provider connected
Traffic Reader connected
QNH Reader connected
QNH=1008
TGW2_     TGW A320 =3= A320WTGWWL
TGW3_     TGW A320 =3= A320WTGWWL
TGW4_     TGW A320 =3= A320WTGWWL
SIA5_     SIA B738 =6= B738CXH
TGW6_     TGW A320 =3= A320WTGWWL
QTR7_     QTR B77L =3= B77LQTR
IGO8_     IGO A320 =3= A320WIGOWL
TGW9_     TGW A320 =3= A320WTGWWL
HVN10_    HVN A321 =3= A321HVN
TGW11_    TGW A320 =3= A320WTGWWL
HVN12_    HVN A321 =3= A321HVN
CAL13_    CAL B744 =3= B744CAL
SIA14_    SIA B738 =6= B738WTGGWL
TGW15_    TGW A320 =3= A320WTGWWL
CES16_    CES A332 =3= A332CES
UAE17_    UAE B77W =3= B77WUAE
TGW18_    TGW A320 =3= A320WTGWWL
CAL19_    CAL B744 =3= B744CAL
IGO20_    IGO A320 =3= A320IGO
IGO21_    IGO A320 =3= A320IGO
IGO22_    IGO A320 =3= A320IGO
HVN23_    HVN A321 =3= A321HVN
QTR24_    QTR B77W =3= B77WQTR
TGW25_    TGW A320 =3= A320WTGWWL
TGW26_    TGW A320 =3= A320WTGWWL
SIA27_    SIA B744 =3= B744SIA
AIC28_    AIC B788 =3= B788AIC
UAE29_    UAE B77L =3= B77LUAE
CES30_    CES A320 =3= A320CES
TGW31_    TGW A320 =3= A320WTGWWL
TGW32_    TGW A320 =3= A320WTGWWL
QTR33_    QTR A359 =3= A359QTR
TGW34_    TGW A320 =3= A320WTGWWL
TGW35_    TGW B788 =3= B788TGW
KAL36_    KAL B744 =3= B744KAL
KAL B744 "B744KAL" could not be created!
18:48:00 Live: 0, parked live: 0, parked static: 34
QNH Reader has stopped
Exiting: USER CLOSED SIM
18:51:35 User closed PSXT_MSFS
Livery cache usage: 0%, add 0, rem 0, hit 0

************************** Parking history for WSSS (SIN) at May 17, 2021 **************************

A10 
18:43:08 parked       SIA27_   B744SIA

A11 
18:42:50 parked       SIA14_   B738WTGGWL

A12 
18:42:50 parked       IGO8_    A320WIGOWL

A13 
18:42:50 parked       TGW3_    A320WTGWWL

A15 
18:42:50 parked       SIA5_    B738CXH

A18 
18:42:50 parked       TGW11_   A320WTGWWL

A19 
18:43:08 parked       IGO21_   A320IGO

A2 
18:43:11 parked       QTR33_   A359QTR

A4 
18:43:08 parked       QTR24_   B77WQTR

A5 
18:42:50 parked       CAL13_   B744CAL

A9 
18:43:08 parked       IGO20_   A320IGO

B2 
18:43:08 parked       UAE29_   B77LUAE

B3 
18:43:08 parked       TGW26_   A320WTGWWL

B9 
18:43:08 parked       TGW32_   A320WTGWWL

C17 
18:42:50 parked       HVN10_   A321HVN

C23 
18:43:11 parked       TGW35_   B788TGW

D32 
18:42:50 parked       HVN12_   A321HVN

D36 
18:43:11 parked       TGW34_   A320WTGWWL

D42 
18:42:50 parked       TGW2_    A320WTGWWL

D48 
18:43:08 parked       TGW25_   A320WTGWWL

D49 
18:43:08 parked       AIC28_   B788AIC

E1 
18:42:50 parked       TGW15_   A320WTGWWL

E8 
18:43:11 parked       KAL36_   B744KAL

F59 
18:43:08 parked       CES30_   A320CES

G10 
18:43:08 parked       HVN23_   A321HVN

G13 
18:43:08 parked       TGW31_   A320WTGWWL

G18 
18:42:50 parked       CES16_   A332CES

G19 
18:42:50 parked       UAE17_   B77WUAE

G20 
18:42:50 parked       QTR7_    B77LQTR

G21 
18:43:08 parked       CAL19_   B744CAL

g4 
18:43:08 parked       TGW18_   A320WTGWWL

g5 
18:42:50 parked       TGW4_    A320WTGWWL

r310 
18:42:50 parked       TGW9_    A320WTGWWL

r511 
18:42:50 parked       TGW6_    A320WTGWWL

r602 
18:43:08 parked       IGO22_   A320IGO
****************************************************************************************************

******************************* live traffic livery matching summary *******************************

Could not be created:
  B744 KAL "B744KAL"
****************************************************************************************************

Traffic Reader has stopped
MAIN_WINDOW_X=400
MAIN_WINDOW_Y=20
Mon May 17 18:51:36 2021
 

[kiek 1,215]

13 hours ago, honanhal said:

First, two shots showing where there's evidently a mismatch between the simconnect data (as shown in LNM) and what's actually shown as the livery (the log also shows these as correctly matched):

Well it is quite simple, take for instance the matching of CAL13_

CAL13_    CAL B744 =3= B744CAL

What PSXT_MSFS does, after the matching,  is to call a SimConnect function that creates an aircraft in MSFS, and as argument it passes the title of the livery, in this case "B744CAL". What happens after that is out of the hands of PSXT_MSFS.

Normally it goes as expected,  -I have not noticed problems in my Sim -, but if in your Sim not the right livery appears then there either is an error in the SimConnect server of your Sim (unlikely), or there is an error in the aircraft.cfg file or the [fltsim.x] section in that aircrfat.cfg file that defines the livery (the latter can be checked with a program such as Ai-Aircraft Editor), or ??.

You better ask further in a MSFS forum, because as far as I can see in your Log, PSXT_MSFS performs ok.

 

Edited May 18, 2021 by kiek

[honanhal 1,420]

6 minutes ago, kiek said:

You better ask further in a MSFS forum, because as far as I can see in your Log, PSXT_MSFS performs ok.

Fair enough. Thanks. Agreed that PSXT seems to be working entirely as designed (and thanks for creating it, by the way!). I don't think there's anything wrong with the aircraft.cfg files (they're straight from the IVAO matching package), so I do still suspect this is something fundamental about the way MSFS handles injected traffic. Anyway, thanks again for taking a look at this.

James

[kiek 1,215]

11 hours ago, honanhal said:

Fair enough. Thanks. Agreed that PSXT seems to be working entirely as designed (and thanks for creating it, by the way!). I don't think there's anything wrong with the aircraft.cfg files (they're straight from the IVAO matching package), so I do still suspect this is something fundamental about the way MSFS handles injected traffic. Anyway, thanks again for taking a look at this.

James

You could try the Liveries Megapack instead of the IVAO package like I do ( and recommended in my PSXT_MSFS documentation ...).

The way aircraft liveries are defined in MSFS is very different from FSX/P3D.  Maybe the IVAO package conversion is not yet right

 

.

 

 

Edited May 18, 2021 by kiek

[vidha 91]

This is a known shortcoming of the MSFS engine. It has been discussed in several topics, and also by AIG. Here is my latest post in one of the forum topics on this issue:

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/ai-engine-is-now-substituting-aircraft-of-the-same-model-with-a-different-livery-when-in-offline-ai-mode/393601/16?u=bondedleader221

I really hope ASOBO will fix this.

Edited May 18, 2021 by vhaaland

[honanhal 1,420]

11 minutes ago, vhaaland said:

This is a known shortcoming of the MSFS engine. It has been discussed in several topics, and also by AIG. Here is my latest post in one of the forum topics on this issue:

Note that this is NOT exactly the same issue as the "random liveries show up" (although it's very likely related somehow). The liveries I'm seeing that PSXT injects aren't random, they're just "flattened." In other words, if what should be seen is:

A320: American
A330: Lufthansa
A380: Air France
B738: Southwest
B738: United
B777: Ethiopian
B777: United

You might get this:

A320: American
A330: Lufthansa
A380: Air France
B738: Southwest
B738: Southwest (repeated)
B777: Ethiopian
B777: Ethiopian (repeated)

If you load it again, it might be that you get all United 738s and all United 777s. That's the random element, but note that in that scenario there should be at least one of that livery for that type visible. You don't end up with e.g. Southwest B738s at an airport in China or Spirit A320s in Australia. But you might end up with 20 Air Algerie A320s at EDDF because every Lufthansa A320 is showing that livery in addition to the single correct Air Algerie A320...

Looking at the IVAO packages, I noticed that one thing they don't do that's a no-no for the MSFS SDK is there's only one model folder per aircraft type, rather than (and this is silly) a model folder for each texture folder. That could potentially explain this behavior, I think. But long-term Asobo really needs to remove that requirement, which adds totally pointless bloat.

James