15 minutes ago, GSalden said:

And as the DC-6 does not have complex systems it is the easiest ac for PMDG to make and compatible with MSFS and use the experience with the development of the 737/747.

I don't think that is entirely true. For most modern airliner engines, they are massively reliable, with literally no maintenance whatsoever on them being necessary on most turnarounds; most of the time all you see is their fluids being topped up a bit at night and a quick look at the fan blades to make sure none are dented by FOD and off they go for another day's flying, frequently over massive stretches of ocean with just two engines between the passengers and a day of swimming about in the Atlantic.

This is in stark contrast to the hydromatic constant-speed props and Pratt and Whitney R-2800 engine. They vibrate a lot more, throw oil all over the place and get so hot that you have to have cowling vents even with those big props cooling the front row of pots. This requires a lot more maintenance and makes these engines prone to more malfunctions too, since they were built with much slacker tolerances than you find on modern engines with less moving parts, all rubbing against one another and clattering about.

The very fact that the DC-6 has four engines is a function of the less reliable behaviour of such powerplants, so this is a lot of modeling of system behaviour to get to grips with, particularly when throwing a virtual flight engineer into the mix; the ability to do that sort of thing is why A2A's engine modeling frequently cacks all over every other developer in almost every respect and has for the most part never been equalled by another developer which has a stab at making the kind of thing A2A tackles.

If PMDG or A2A ever make a DC-3, other developers might as well get their coat and go home. 🤣

Edited May 23, 20215 yr by Chock

12 minutes ago, devgrp said:

The tech is in place, if it wasn't WT and FBW wouldn't have been able to do what they did. Like I said before, most of these devs want the easy way to continue doing things how they did on other platforms. This is a new platform so they need to adapt instead of being lazy. If you ask me, they are the ones trying to do a cash grab because they want to port their addons with code intact instead of building against the new system 

Redoing a overhaul of complete systems is something different than certain parts.

If you read the SDK documentation then most features are still not implemented. If they were than probably most of your ‘lazy’  developers could make their products compatible in a short amount of time.

So the question should be : why was the SDK so poor at release and is still not that enhanced .. ?

 

 

I find it funny that RSR clearly states in his video that the initial hurdles that prevented them from further developing their modern jets are now gone. He also says that Asobo is, by far, the best and most helpful FS developer they have ever worked with.

Yet, we still have the same people here discrediting not only the platform, but its technical capabilities. Will they ever stop? I guess there are still some die hard FS2004 defenders out there..

 

Edited May 23, 20215 yr by GCBraun

1 minute ago, GSalden said:

So the question should be : why was the SDK so poor at release and is still not that enhanced .. ?

Well AS working with Asobo bought out the CRJ and now PMDG bring us from all the vids I have now watched a full fat PMDG product. So IMO Gerard things are moving along. You can now even use your amazing set up. most people said it would be years before we see PMDG/FSL etc, well next month we see PMDG and hopfully for once Roberts Oct-end of year is true for the NG. 

Also Rob (wt) post/reply here was a very good one on the topic of the SDK so also was what Robert PMDG says in the vid on the new DC-6. All positive imo.

I can‘t imagine that PMDG would risk their reputation as a top-tier addon developer, so I guess when they say that they are ready to release their stuff for MSFS it means that they are ready to release their stuff. And if not, we’ll know in just a few weeks. As simple as that. 

2 minutes ago, GCBraun said:

I find it funny that RSR clearly states in his video that the initial hurdles that prevented them from further developing their modern jets are now gone. He also says that Asobo is, by far, the best and most helpful FS developer they have ever worked with.

Yet, we still have the same people here discrediting not only the platform, but its technical capabilities. Will they ever stop? I guess there are still some die hard FS2004 defenders out there..

 

Some just dont want to hear that. It does not suit there agender.

2 minutes ago, Nyxx said:

Well AS working with Asobo bought out the CRJ and now PMDG bring us from all the vids I have now watched a full fat PMDG product. So IMO Gerard things are moving along. You can now even use your amazing set up. most people said it would be years before we see PMDG/FSL etc, well next month we see PMDG and hopfully for once Roberts Oct-end of year is true for the NG. 

Also Rob (wt) post/reply here was a very good one on the topic of the SDK so also was what Robert PMDG says in the vid on the new DC-6. All positive imo.

That I totally agree with you. And if Robert says things can be do e I beleave him as he is a very critical man who wants things to be the best they can be ..

12 minutes ago, Chock said:

I don't think that is entirely true. For most modern airliner engines, they are massively reliable, with literally no maintenance whatsoever on them being necessary on most turnarounds; most of the time all you see is their fluids being topped up a bit at night and a quick look at the fan blades to make sure none are dented by FOD and off they go for another day's flying, frequently over massive stretches of ocean with just two engines between the passengers and a day of swimming about in the Atlantic.

This is in stark contrast to the hydromatic constant-speed props and Pratt and Whitney R-2800 engine. They vibrate a lot more, throw oil all over the place and get so hot that you have to have cowling vents even with those big props cooling the front row of pots. This requires a lot more maintenance and makes these engines prone to more malfunctions too, since they were built with much slacker tolerances than you find on modern engines with less moving parts, all rubbing against one another and clattering about.

The very fact that the DC-6 has four engines is a function of the less reliable behaviour of such powerplants, so this is a lot of modeling of system behaviour to get to grips with, particularly when throwing a virtual flight engineer into the mix; the ability to do that sort of thing is why A2A's engine modeling frequently cacks all over every other developer in almost every respect and has for the most part never been equalled by another developer which has a stab at making the kind of thing A2A tackles.

If PMDG or A2A ever make a DC-3, other developers might as well get their coat and go home. 🤣

It depends : the modern ac have a lot of control and backup systems. I certainly have the feeling that a DC-6 is easier to make for MSFS than a 737/747 regarding including new ways of techniques.

But left or right : let them all come. 
And the more the SDK evolves, the more developers learn new techniques, the more good things we will get 🥳

5 minutes ago, GCBraun said:

I find it funny that RSR clearly states in his video that the initial hurdles that prevented them from further developing their modern jets are now gone. He also says that Asobo is, by far, the best and most helpful FS developer they have ever worked with.

Yet, we still have the same people here discrediting not only the platform, but its technical capabilities. Will they ever stop? I guess there are still some die hard FS2004 defenders out there..

 

Well we’ve now reached the conspiracy theory stage of grief (“ok, fine, maybe PMDG have what they need, but if so that’s only because the have the special, secret SDK”), so I think you have your answer...

Just now, honanhal said:

maybe PMDG have what they need, but if so that’s only because the have the special, secret SDK

I've got that secret SDK too. I could tell you about it, but then I'd have to kill you. 🤣

Right, I'm off to fake another Moon landing in my back garden...

Edited May 23, 20215 yr by Chock

2 hours ago, mpo910 said:

But fact is....2021 is long  to go....and 2020 hasn't offered any complex Airliners l, like almost a complete 2021 will not offer me such a plane. 

 

How long did it take FSX or FS9 to get their first ‘complex’ airliner after launch? 

These things take time to make. So just be patient. Go play your preferred sim and wait it out.

Edited May 23, 20215 yr by Tuskin38

15 minutes ago, Chock said:

I've got that secret SDK too. I could tell you about it, but then I'd have to kill you. 🤣

Right, I'm off to fake another Moon landing in my back garden...

Back garden? I used my daughter's sandpit 🤐

26 minutes ago, Nyxx said:

(...). most people said it would be years before we see PMDG/FSL etc, (...)

I was one of them, and i admit i wasn't expecting anything so complex so early. I'll eat my words gladly, can't wait for the first proper airliner to finally put MSFS to some use. It's gathering dust right now on its cloud space out there...

2 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

How long did it take FSX or FS9 to get their first ‘complex’ airliner after launch? 

These things take time to make. So just be patient. Go play your preferred sim and wait it out.

Back then all techniques for creating a complex ac had to be invented. These days they exist.....

So it probably will be faster this time ✈️

18 minutes ago, Chock said:

I've got that secret SDK too. I could tell you about it, but then I'd have to kill you. 🤣

Right, I'm off to fake another Moon landing in my back garden...

You tell him on this forum, then you kill him and we won’t tell anybody 🤞